Context:
/r/ProgrammerHumor/ closed for a couple of days, then - “because mods have to listen to the community or otherwise they get replaced by more /u/Spez compliant mods” opened up again, and held a voting which new rules to enforce. The sub opened up with the new rule allTitlesMustBeCamelCase.
I made the first post about 15 minutes after the sub re-opened (because I’m in their discord, I was aware it opened up again, it wasn’t announced yet, I think) - and of course I just make a shit-post about John Oliver since it’s the /r/pics (and a bunch of other) subreddits way to protesting the API changes.
It wasn’t even that good of a post to be honest, it got temporary taken down by the subs’ mods since they mentioned “it’s only anecdotally related [to programmer humor]” - but after messaging them explaining the context they put it back up. So it’s basically approved by the moderators of the subreddit. And not against the content policy of the sub
It got like 3k upvotes in about an hour, so I got a message from some bot that I was on the frontpage of /all/ as well. At the end of the day it had 13.5k upvotes
About 48 hours later I got an automated message:
Your account has been permanently suspended for breaking the rules. This account is permanently suspended due to violations of Reddit’s content policy
I posted an “appeal” basically just asking “Lol you banned me for posting John Oliver?”
And the only response I got was:
Thanks for submitting an appeal to the Reddit admin team. We have reviewed your request and unfortunately, your appeal will not be granted and your suspension will remain in place. For future reference, we recommend you to familiarize yourself with Reddit’s Content Policy. -Reddit Admin Team This is an automated message; responses will not be received by Reddit admins.
I posted another “appeal” yesterday asking “Could you clarify which Content Policy rule I broke?” To which they haven’t responded yet.
It’s the only post I made in the last 2 weeks, so there wasn’t any other reason to suddenly ban me besides this post…
My reddit account was 12 years old at this point. I was going to leave anyways because the Reddit client I use (sync) already announced it would be shutting down June 30 - so I don’t care that much that they banned me - just though it was a pretty weird approach from the Reddit Admins to start banning people for getting John Oliver on the front-page
That’s fucking ridiculous. Maybe we should all start posting this meme and get ourselves banned.
Reach out to The Verge, they’ve been covering the Reddit debacle pretty well and I bet they’d love to hear from you.
I’m hoping they’re still going to respond to the appeal, as my first appeal wasn’t really a real one, just basically a “lol wtf?” one… Considering maybe it was just one random “hardcore” rogue admin on a banning spree for things they didn’t like. - And that if I just submitted an appeal another admin would see it and unban me. But that didn’t go as expected
So I’m hoping they at least answer the second appeal asking to give me a reason. I’m curious if they’re going to admit it’s for the John Oliver post, or if they’re going to pull something from the history and be like “2 years ago you said something mildly problematic we just discovered” - or most likely, just keep it vague and say I violated the content policy without explanation
If reddit doesn’t reach out in a reasonable time do still reach out to news media outlets including the verge that are likely to cover the story
Or at least they’ll combine it with other incidents into a bigger story.
send us the meme so we can post there too
It’s not that good of a meme though… https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/14f5kks/whenaprogramtellsyoutojustfollowtheinstallationwiz/
Ha that’s pretty funny
I saw this before I guess it got taken down. I thought it was funny.
Love it!!
I’m surprised that they replied to your appeal at all.
I got “permanently suspended” a couple of weeks ago for “report abuse” (I was reporting comments in /r/conservative as misinformation, because they were misinformation, and the mods apparently decided to retaliate against me) and Reddit can’t even be bothered to respond to my appeal.
I also sent a data request a couple of weeks ago, and they haven’t responded to that yet either.
its funny that i used to get heaps of those ‘mental health’ messages spammed at me yet reddit never did a thing about it even though i reported every one as abuse, but you can seemingly get ‘permanently suspended’ for anything these days. and they dont bother reading appeals, they just deny and flick the stock message back
Congratulations! There should be “Banned from Reddit” medals on Lemmy/Mastodon/kbin
Custom medals for an instance that admins/mods could give to accounts or posts would be cool, might be a way for admins to reward/push good content. Kind of like reddit mod awards except you don’t have to give money to a jagoff to do it.
I’m sure Reddit will remain for many years, but I seriously hope this is the beginning of a major shift in peoples approach to large sites like them. Many smaller communities can only be a good thing for the internet. Lemmy/Beehaw are exactly what I hope become more commonplace. Mega social media platforms all need to go.
My reddit account was 12 years old at this point
I’m guessing that’s a big reason why. You know what Reddit used to be like, and that’s not where they want it now, so you’re more of a liability than an asset. They’d rather grow their userbase with millions of new users who will adapt to whatever shitty platform they’re continuing to morph into.
Your comment just game me an idea but what if we make posts discussing how reddit has become a shithole but word the posts in a search engine optimised way
I think mine is 13. Might have to try to get banned myself! Wonder if there’s a pic of John Oliver holding a ban hammer.
Try using a generative image model
Reddit is really not backing down, huh? Welp slaps knee i guess I’m leaving for good.
I had kind of already started detaching from Reddit (moving it from my bookmarks so I don’t click by habbit, uninstalling on phone, etc).
Really liking Lemmy so far, especially with all the recent/ future improvements.
I’m going to join you, just deleted my account of 9 years. Felt great tbh.
reddit admins have been going on a purge like ive never seen. welcome to the club!
Gotta protect that IPO.
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Preach it.
I like how they permanently banned your account, it’s against their rules to make a new account to circumvent a ban, then said “for future reference please read our comment content policy”.
This is a great point.
part of their selective enforcement - they know the site is full of socks shills and bots, they just look the other way till its convenient for them to apply a rule to an account they want rid of.
my alt was banned after my prime account was, it took about a day then out of the blue was banned. did not post anything with it and only noticed when i logged in a week later
those a-holes are “making examples” right now.
If this is true it’s insane.
That post is actually funny IMO, how thin skinned do you have to be to suspend people permanently for that? It obviously doesn’t break any rules. If it was ambiguous whether it did, a warning would be more fitting.
Yes I can see it’s not directly about programming, but close enough IMO.
If this is true it’s insane.
It’s true. Since my account is suspended, I’m unable to delete or edit any post or comment. So anyone is completely free to Doxx my account, find it on a waybackmachine or any another other reddit archive and see if I posted anything even mildly problematic, or prove that I’m lying or leaving out details for no apparent reason or whatever
If it was ambiguous whether it did, a warning would be more fitting.
When something is ambiguous whether it fits a specific subreddit or not - is up to the mods to decide, and they deemed it ok. Sub-offtopic stuff just gets your posts removed by the mods, and normally wouldn’t get you side-wide ban
Are you not allowed to get everything deleted through GDPR or something similar?
I read somewhere that even if you don’t live in Europe you should try to ask to delete everything through GDPR because it’s an automated process and some companies don’t check where you live. It’s worth a try
I doubt they check.
Because any mistake would be fairly expensive.
Arbitrary enforcement of the rules is the main problem here.
Reddit can be thought of as a three tier hierarchy, in decreasing order of power:
- Layer 1 is the admins
- Layer 2 is the subreddit mods
- Layer 3 is the users.
Now, the admins have the interest of having the mods and users work for them for free to generate contents. To do that, their best interest is to have Layer 2 and 3 constantly in conflict with each other so they won’t turn their attention to what’s going on in Layer 1, and they can just step in as needed as “the good guys” when things get out of hand.
(Don’t say the name of the book please)
The way they did that, is of course, by making a “Layer 1.5”, the so called powermods, and promises them arbitrary powers that they can abuse (delete and then repost other’s content, blatant karma farming) to have the attention and the hate from Layer 2 and 3 on them instead of Layer 1, and so they can get away with whatever they want for flimsy excuses. (closing source code, shadowbans for real people, quarantine, awards, NFTs, new reddit, etc.)
Previous attempts at leaving reddit (Pao, controversies surrounding other various hate subs) failed because only Level 3 and a few lower member of Level 2 were responsive to the problems, most people are just indifferent and want to have reddit the way it is now, so Layer 1 can just pled ignorance and have people move on.
So, what’s different this time? This time both Layer 2 and 3 are collectively moving against Layer 1 for the very first time, and to maintain the illusion of normalcy would require more direct interventions from Layer 1 since playing dumb is no longer an option. Of course, powermods (all around bad person awkwardtheturtle, for example) outlived their usefulness as distraction, so they can now be arbitrarily disposed of as well.
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Oh bugger. You had to say it.
I think you just described every political and economic system in the western world
It is as Milton Friedman once said: “Life is plastic, it’s fantastic.”
Now do the economy!
I don’t know what you are talking about, I’m just here to promote my new movie “Barbie”.
Easy! Level 3 is everyone one problem away from being homeless and anyone worse off than them. 2 is the middle class all the way up to some movie stars and athletes. 1.5 is the ridiculously over paid stars/ athletes all the way up to the very richest individuals. 1 is all the families that have their wealth spread out enough so we don’t talk about it, but have the real financial weight to get what they want done. I know, you think Elon musk and Jeff bozos should be in layer 1, but if they were, they wouldn’t be showing their dumb faces in the news to us IMHO.
I like how instead of banned they say permanently suspended
Yeah doesn’t a suspension literally mean it’s temporary. “It will resume again after the suspension.”
Yeah I’m permabanned from Reddit too for similar stupidity. Nothing of value was lost for me though.
They ban for anything but yet /askthedonald /politicalcompass and /conservative still exist
I got permanently suspended for reporting misinformation in r/conservative. To be clear, not banned from the subreddit; suspended site-wide. That’s the admins supporting the mods’ retaliation for reporting misinformation.
Ive seen both the lemmy versions of those when first browsing through communities on the community tab
Don’t remeber if they where on lemmy.world or another instance
Honestly I’m disappointed someone would come to lemmy to create those bigoted places
Those post do get heavily down voted. I do my part to keep them put of the hot/Frontpage.
/r/Palestine is literally Yeey Hamas and kill the Jew every other post. And they let it pass.
We have reviewed your request […] This is an automated message
Schrödingers appeal
This. Reddit got invaded. They lost it. Half of it is Hamas propaganda now.
Instead of deleting my Reddit account, I’m editing my posts/replies there to all say, “edit: //I’ve moved to lemmy //” By doing this you’re:
- Denying Reddit your content
- Telling everyone where you went and
- Your post Karma stays the same, so a highly upvoted comment of yours stays in the same place in the comment thread.
Is there a script or something out there that can automate this? I’d love to do the same but I have something like 12000 comments.
I don’t know if there is. I’m limiting myself to posts that have more than 50 or so upvotes. That cuts down on typing a lot. :)
Fair warning: if you use a script or bot to edit comments, most of your subreddits will ban you for doing so. They apparently either have tools to detect this, or else the users left behind are sensitive to it and are reporting it.
Source: I did this, and am now banned from my favorite communities on reddit.
Upside: I don’t care, because I’m not going back, anyway, and now most of my comments have been overwritten.
Downside: The script I used missed editing TONS of comments, so I ended up editing and deleting hundreds of comments by hand anyway. (I commented a LOT, apparently! 🤣)
It’s tempting to do this, but I have a lot of posts that people might find filled with valuable emotional support. Someone in the future googling what to do about (insert one of the hundreds of emotional traumas I’ve had) and finding “haha lmao I’m on lemmy now and this content is gone forever” is kinda rude. I can’t do that to them.
