Barbara is right though, fireworks are a stupid tradition that can be better served with drone light shows or projection displays. They look way cooler, better for the environment, and don’t cause unnecessary stress for dogs and war survivors (soliders or civilians can suffer PTSD from war).
Fuck fireworks.
Served way better depends on what you’re goal is. For some people, the loud bang is the whole point. We’ve got 2 days a year where we shoot off fireworks, and everyone knows when they are. Only the animals are surprised. If we argue about necessity well just end up in the kind of argument that can logically lead to voluntary extinction. The amount of environmental disruption we consider acceptable is a matter of opinion, but it ain’t ever zero.
If we argue about necessity well just end up in the kind of argument that can logically lead to voluntary extinction.
This is doesn’t make any sense and the strangest attempt at a red herring I’ve come across on Lemmy, there is no necessity. Period. It’s still Independence Day whether or not you scare pets and veterans. You can celebrate with a BBQ like every other holiday. Basically you typed a lot of words just to say you don’t care how your actions effect others, or that your two seconds of pleasure is worth the well being of animals and neighbors.
Who are you to dictate what is and isn’t appropriate way to celebrate?
Many people are considerate about it as well as take efforts to do it safely.
Yea you can celebrate in other ways, but then again, right back at you.
You ar absolutely right there is no necessity, shit there is no necessity tot he whole fucking holiday.
But if you look into the history of the fourth, you’ll see there are connections, not just tradition either.
I find this ironic because it can easily be reversed. Basically you typed a lot of words just to say you don’t care how or where the fireworks occur, bottom line they are bad
Can you drop the hyperbole and look at it rationally? Why is your stance “fuck all fireworks for the good of everyone”, and not “do it somewhere else”?
WE CAN ACCOMMODATE BOTH
I am impacted negatively by fireworks but I recognize that isn’t grounds to shout anyone down that isn’t negatively impacted. All I need is it just to not happen near my house. Simple as that
I just wish the people firing off the bang noise ones didn’t do it near me. I switch to panic attack. Each bang is literal pain for me… Blehg I used to not be like this…
At least don’t be the asshole that pops them off on any day that isn’t the holiday in question.
Like, at least on the day of, there’s sort of a tacit understanding for people with PTSD and nervous pets that THIS is the day to be prepared for and get through, so at least people know to be ready for it. Doing it on any other day and surprising them with it is such a self-centered, inconsiderate dickhead move.
Always blows my mind how much we hear red-blooded patriots go on about “the troops,” just to go and celebrate their patriotism by stressing the shit out of all the veterans in their neighborhood.
It’s a free country?
Everyone is free to be a dick. Still makes them a dick.
Try to remember who earned that freedom
Go next door and knock and just let them know you are going to be setting off fireworks. It isn’t that hard to be nice
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Imagine for a moment that you are a dumbass 17 year-old high school senior in 2002. Your grades are shit and you’re just barely going to graduate. Many of your friends are excited about going to college, while you are pretty sure that working behind the counter at the local gas station is basically all you’ve got.
Suddenly, a wild recruiter appears! He has a cool looking uniform and people say “Thank you for your service” and he gets treated with respect wherever he goes. He says he’s got a $30k signing bonus for you. He says you can choose whatever job you want, you don’t have to go get shot at. He says in 4 years when you get out, you’ll have skills and experience those college pussies won’t, you’ll get a good job and they’ll bitch on the internet about working at Starbucks. He says you can even go to college if you want, Uncle Sam will pick up the tab and you can spend 4 years getting drunk and laid.
Would you go, as this dipshit 17 year-old?
You’ve got to think about this in the context of the time, too. This was actually almost exactly me - I graduated in 2002; I had fine grades, but this was immediately following 9/11, and the fact of the matter is that patriotism was being pushed hard from every angle. We were being fed propaganda from every media outlet. It wasn’t just recruiters pulling the normal bullshit, they were using 9/11 to spin a narrative where the country is in danger and only we, as that time’s 18 year olds - could possibly save it, and if we didn’t enlist, we were basically personally responsible for whatever happened. That, on the backs of our parents’ encouragement - you’ve got to remember that many of our fathers had fought in wars themselves, and many had glorified it in stories, and we were simply not equipped to look at any of it critically yet - made it very hard to say “No”.
I enlisted; I spent 3 months in boot camp, 2 months of that with pneumonia and eventually they sent me home, and frankly I think that’s the most fortunate thing that’s ever happened to me. I wouldn’t have been fighting - I would have been sitting behind a desk writing code - but I don’t think that matters much in the end.
It’s really easy for someone who wasn’t in that position to say “Oh, yeah, anyone who falls for that is just stupid”, but the fact of the matter is, propaganda is effective. That’s why it continues to be used, all over the world, and at that particular time, the propaganda was driving patriotism and paving the way for military enlistment and the addition of laws that stripped away rights and made everyone think mass surveillance was good and necessary, and it did its job.
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Jesus, dude. Chill a bit. They were kids who were sold a bill of goods. Some of them legitimately believed they were doing something good and noble when they enlisted, and the people in power abused that ideology. It’s not the veteran’s fault. Hold people in power responsible, not the people who trusted them.
Edit: there’s no sense in arguing with you on this. I just saw your other comments, seems like you’ve got zero empathy. Wish you the best, champ. Hope you find some compassion in your life.
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I don’t think this is the forum to have this conversation, and anything I say will just prompt you to personally attack me. I think you should open your mind to other points of view and think critically.
Have a good day, and be well.
There’s a difference of being complicit and taking place in killing women/children and men in the thousands than being in the US military. Sit the fuck down and treat people how you expect to be treated.
Blaming the soldiers is like calling up Verizon because your internet is out and yelling at the CSR you talk to like it’s their fault. They (generally speaking) didn’t ask to get sent to kill brown people for oil companies’ profits.
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those people “blindly” signing up see no other way to get an education or even survive. they’re victims of systemic issues too and your lack of empathy for them disturbs me
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You’re a fucking asshole. Why not conversate instead of being an aggressive little fuck? It’s possible not to be an unmoveable prick and talk instead of being an opinionated little dicked fuck, you know that right? Actually no, I highly doubt you do know that. You probably have the “it’s the internet bro” type of mindset and don’t have the brain to actually hold a legit conversation without having to yell your point and feel like you’ve “won.”
Your tiny world view and your lack of empathy for people is sickening and I hope you get some help getting your head out of your ass.
Imagine for a moment that you are a dumbass 17 year-old high school senior in 2002. Your grades are shit and you’re just barely going to graduate. Many of your friends are excited about going to college, while you are pretty sure that working behind the counter at the local gas station is basically all you’ve got.
Suddenly, a wild recruiter appears! He has a cool looking uniform and people say “Thank you for your service” and he gets treated with respect wherever he goes. He says he’s got a $30k signing bonus for you. He says you can choose whatever job you want, you don’t have to go get shot at. He says in 4 years when you get out, you’ll have skills and experience those college pussies won’t, you’ll get a good job and they’ll bitch on the internet about working at Starbucks. He says you can even go to college if you want, Uncle Sam will pick up the tab and you can spend 4 years getting drunk and laid.
Would you go, as this dipshit 17 year-old?
I’m not sure how getting shelled by al-Qaeda earned your freedom. I think it just made people afraid of fireworks…
Except for the few thousand ww2 vets left no living American service member fought for anybody’s freedom
Still doesn’t mean you should be a dick and start setting off fireworks a week before the 4th
Did Barbara consider its why we do what we do?
Fireworks suck. I didn’t even like them as a kid.
Lol at OP getting roasted in the when they thought they were gonna do real numbers and getting pats on the back
