I notice on a lot of mags, there is one or two people posting, and either 0, a handful, or quite a bit of upvotes, but no one is really engaging, most the time there are 0 comments.
I think in order to foster the growth of our community, we must try to engage more with the people generating the content, it’s helpful and encouraging for them, and also a positive sign for people who are coming into the fediverse. I post quite a bit, and comments always make me feel like it was worth it!
Also, keep upvoting! Someone responded to your post or comment, and you’re just grateful for that or agree with them? Upvote them! Engage! That’s all :)
You can’t force this stuff though. No-one wants a ton of vapid, low-effort comments put there just for the sake of it.
This.
I know, right?
I’m doing my part!
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this guy votes!
i’m certainly not asking for comments for the sake of comments, i am asking for less lurking and more generating. people usually have something to say, add, or discuss, it’s effort-level is subjective. i just want those people to feel encouraged to speak out, its safer to do so here than it was on reddit, and it’s also helpful
It can get a bit frustating at times, but people do speak when they want to, and when they do its usually thoughtful. It helps to respond back.
My take is to enjoy the silence for now. Once they warm up, we’ll be wishing they’d stayed silent ;)Same
Me too
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You hear me Alanis, this thread is full of irony.
I wonder if she was two moves ahead of us the whole time knowing the song itself was ironic, not the situations in the song…
I like to think so, but a lot of intelligent people pick up on the meaning of words from context, and sometimes they get it wrong. I remember reading that Susan Sontag used the word “magma” as if it meant something like “foundation” or “basis”.
What does magma mean?
All I know about sontag is the “disease as metaphor” stuff. so I know she is interested in using material situations (hi5/tb). so is it totally unpredictable that she’d use geology as metaphor?
I tried searching for what you might be alluding to and found like this page where sontag is incidentally in the side bar: Sappho and the Fevered Heart: Anne Carson on Jealousy –
This, indeed, is the raw nature of jealousy — beneath the narrative, beyond the magma of feeling, it is a projection, a self-construction, a self-response that reveals more about our relationship to love itself, which springs from our relationship to ourselves, than about any object of desire.
And a few other similar hits… if you are saying that Sontag is wrong to use “magma” as “foundation”… I would have to say on what basis you claim that?
if you are saying that Sontag is wrong to use “magma” as “foundation”… I would have to say on what basis you claim that?
A foundation is usually a stable structure, not a liquid.
I can imagine a context in which that would make sense depending what was being discussed. Maybe the implication was that there is no real foundation. Would need more info to be sure she is really totally misunderstanding rather than being a bit weird.
@HeartyBeast Yeah this makes sense, I sadly still see upvotes in posts people create asking questions. When the OC tried to ask a question it’s helpful to have an answer but yes not everyone should have to comment as it might not be useful and could clog up the feed.
the thing is, a lot of people wont answer or comment in the first place. maybe they think someone else will, but then that ends up not being the case
@euphoria Yeah I do feel like it might just come down to a few people having to possibly go around and put something relevant in someones comments to really get things going.
I like to read other comments on the material and offer my viewpoints to their comments. Like this. But without comments, I have no one to offer a different viewpoint to.
People need to step up their games!
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Most of us were little fish in the big pond called Reddit and our comments wouldn’t even cause a ripple, but now we have a chance to be big fish in a small pond and create waves 🦈
very well said
… a whole lot of small ponds linked together!
I’m definitely trying to lurk less here compared to when I used to use reddit.
Same here. I starting making an effort to post more…but then ran across a weirdo angry I told him not to be a dick to someone after he told them to “fucking die,” and now they’re downvoting literally everything I post and comment, despite me blocking them.
We can encourage commenting, but we’ve also got to strengthen tools to stop harassment and create a culture that discourages people from being toxic.
im sure @ernest is eventually gonna implement something to prevent going to someone’s page and mass downvoting, like reddit did, it’s been brought up a ton by now
Fixing blocking first would be best, honestly. Blocking right now is a mess. If you block someone, they shouldn’t be able to see or interact with your posts and comments in any way.
good on you
I’d like to encourage more upvoting and boosting too! I like leaving comments, but I know not everyone does. The points from upvoting themselves don’t mean anything, but it lets me know if my post is appreciated or if someone else’s post is worth reading past the headline.
@euphoria I agree, It seems like most people don’t want to comment and interact which is really annoying when trying to build a Mag.
been there, making a mag that grows but youre the only one posting and no one is engaging and its like uhuhughugh. i wanna contribute and i do, but sometimes it feels like i am talking to myself
Just checked your mags and saw @MagHub !
I had been wanting a place right here on kbin to help me discover more local communities, this is perfect!
Just checked your mags
now im embarrassed about a specific one i have in there lmfaooo. but anyway, thanks! :)
@euphoria Yeah I try to find already made mags such as gaming ones but it seems like a lot of single-game topic ones such as for GTA seem to be pretty dead or the OC of the Mag seems to not be active on Kbin anymore making it feel like it might end up just being another unmoderated dead-end in the Fediverse.
It’s good that we have room to grow especially as it seems it would be good for gaming alone but it doesn’t show we are a good system to move to if Reddit and even smaller platforms seem to have better engagement on the Forums than something that is interconnected between Instances.
yea i agree, not a good look for us and for newcomers trying out fedi.
@euphoria That is my observation also. If we want to make Kbin an engaging community it’s incumbent on all of us to comment and post
exactly right! i understand not everyone is a content creator and would rather lurk, but those same people tend to complain about lack of content 👀 even a single post or a single comment from nearly every user would make a world of a difference, it adds up. we have to be the change we want to see
Agreed, although I must say the quality of the commentary here is far and above what I’ve seen on other social media, and I’d like that trend to continue.
I want to note that the value of Kbin increases exponentially as you engage and follow each other, and that Boosting can be particularly effective in bringing in more engagement from the Mastodon world.
Also (not sure if this is a bug @ernest), you should know how to get around the magazine filter in the drop-down on your threads and links submission page. If you click when in a kbin magazine or default kbin screen, the menu will only allow you to submit to kbin.social magazines on the instance, not any off-instance communities.
To get around this, go to the off-instance magazine you want to submit to, and it will auto-populate the correct target community on the other instance.
While I know that most of us are focused on expanding kbin.social in particular, spreading the load helps the servers and widens your audience, as well as potential followers, which draws them back to kbin.
@Arotrios a bit off topic but I see you’re into poetry, have you found any good communities here for that yet?
I think it’s a matter of content type. We have a lot of links to interesting articles or pictures of memes with no additional input from the poster. Those make me less inclined to comment. I just tend to upvote/boost and move on.
I think for more discussion/opinions, people need a spring board to jump off of.
Here is where I disagree with a lot of you guys’ points. Even if the comment is lower effort, I still would read them and prefer it to be there than not. Even if it’s less substantiated. I primarily acted as a lurker on Reddit for various reason and still enjoyed reading people’s opinions and perspectives even if it wasn’t “high quality”. Even if it’s just to get a picture of what people feel about something it still has value. I post comments, and posts that get upvotes and views, and that proves that it still has value.
Ok. Sounds good.
awesome, everyone’s participation is much appreciated :)
Werd.
Sometimes you just don’t know what to say that feels like it actually meaningfully contributes, y’know? Also complicates things that I have like 5 other small scale social medias im trying to nurture on top of my ADHD (and not all of them are even federated…). But I still try to chip in to add some spice.
The comment at bottom of thread prevents me from commenting on a lot of threads simply because I don’t want to scroll that far.
there are various scripts to fix this.
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/468681-kbin-move-comment-box-to-top
I just hit the “end” key and it pops me right down there.
Awesome, thank you!
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Lots of angry folks out here; hard to get people involved when they see the “big contributors” going around brigading with no capacity for recompense, reporting or otherwise. I think we could get things moving a lot faster if we got rid of the downvote altogether; copying the Reddit way of doing things is… not great.
when they see the “big contributors” going around brigading with no capacity for recompense, reporting or otherwise
can you elaborate on this? i don’t quite know what you mean
It’s easy on some instances to click a name, then click the down arrow on everything they’ve ever posted. I have a couple of stalkers that are hounding me in this way currently, and there’s no way to make them stop. That kind of nonsense makes people want to give up and go somewhere else.
That’s one of the reasons I have a kbin account, but use a reddthat account with downvotes disabled. It’s also annoying on reddit to find useful info hidden under downvotes because someone had an alternative way of seeing things, but got bombed into disappearing since they suggested something that wasn’t wrong, just different.
there are scripts for kbin to disable downvotes and rep
where? how? plz I want to know more.
edit: does that work at the account level, or is it something you have to use as a desktop browser extension? I’m almost always on ios mobile.
you can get it on desktop or mobile ios or android. they are called userscripts, they work with safari if you have the userscript app. checkout @kbinStyles and theres a ton of useful sripts. but there is a hub similar to reddit enhancement suite called kbin enhancement suite which gathers many of the most useful scripts in a sort of hub. KES i have it on ios mobile and desktop. within that, there is a toggle for hiding rep and downvotes
thank you!
I don’t expect an answer to this, but I’m hoping among the options are ability to save posts, and ability to hide individual posts, which I do miss from reddit. I don’t want to hide everything I’ve already read, just posts I’m not interested in without blocking a user or a full community/magazine.
No.
Yes.
Okay.
