Windows is annoying. I like my computer just doing computer stuff. No AI. No Ads. No forced upgrades. No thanks. Just do the computer thing please.
Forced upgrades are necessary, people would put off updating for no reason
Bad updates are not necessary
OS upgrades vs security updates is a whole different ballgame. We should not confuse the two.
Windows forces major upgrades in many cases, sometimes rendering the device inoperable because OS upgrades carry inherent risks. Forced upgrades are simply irresponsible. We need that consent to let the user back up files beforehand as a bare minimum, even overlooking the ethics side of user consent. Is MS going to fix my parents PC when they break it?
Forced updates? I see the argument, but I have to insist on user consent at all times. By default is okay. Explicitly violating the human’s will seems wrong. Software should serve people. But I can understand the argument even if I don’t agree with forced updates.
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That’s what I love about Linux: you have options.
- Security updates automatically, but only restart or do feature upgrades manually?
- You got it.
- Automatically update everything as soon as it comes out, with a little pop-up to let you know you should restart?
- Sure thing boss.
- Automate the entire process with reboots scheduled during off-hours?
- No problem.
- Never update anything without being asked?
- There’s a setting for that.
It empowers the user to choose what works best for them.
- Security updates automatically, but only restart or do feature upgrades manually?
And that is why I’ve got my dad on Mint. He would not dare to even do a point upgrade himself. Until two days ago he was on 20.2 or smth. But he does the small updates quite diligently, like I told him. System admin dream of such users.
Windows has forced updates because people like your parents would otherwise never update and then still blame Microsoft for their computer breaking because of bugs.
They put off updates because they are afraid of further inshitification. They created the problem.
I just want a basic UI. I don’t want the bloated inconsistent eye
Wait until AI, Ads and Forced Upgrades becomes the definition of “computer stuff”.
I’m not so sure about that. FOSS is unlikely to gain a direct profit motive, and if it does, there will necessarily be versions with those features removed. How can you stop me from turning off ads or updates when I control the entire operating system? That’s kind of the whole point of free and open source software—the user is in control. Myself or someone with the appropriate skills can modify the code not to do those things. If that results in a better product, everyone will switch to it, killing those features permanently.
I have no problem with an open source AI if it proves useful, but it will be running on my machine under my terms. In fact, I already have an LLM running entirely locally.
It’s hard to enshittify FOSS as long as good enough people willing to contribute to de-shittify stuff exist, but that is not the main thing that “defines” any trend.
The layman that tends to use stuff that is marketed (which is unfortunately enough of the people) will be affected by for-profit orgs trying to set trends in their favour. That is what will turn out to “define” the terms. Consider how Apple managed to keep their cult following for so long and how there are still enough people who consider “Windows” as the common name for Operating System. Even though the more technically minded people understand the differences, it doesn’t change the fact that people’s perception will be defined by what’s more in front of them, until they individually realise their ignorance and decide to investigate.
i used to care about windows… i had to use and support it at work, it was easy to crack and maintain. then something changed and i walked away into linux land.
i still need to care about windows at work, but instead of getting all anx-y i just laugh it off. my employers are getting exactly what they chose.
its HILarious when shit doesnt work… a new version breaks all inter-company communication, all that nonsense is just pure entertainment now.
my canned response is ‘were all beta testers now, buckle up’
Yup! The only remaining Windows system I personally use is my work laptop. I feel like its lack of customizability holds back my workflow but I’ve kept Windows on it so I don’t get rusty for when I need to support my users. At this point I think I’ll just spin up a decommissioned box for Windows testing and finally throw Linux onto my work system.
You’re so right that we’re all beta-testers now. If I recall correctly, MS and Google both laid off a ton of their QA people like 10 years ago and now the customers are functionally QA. Our M365 tenant just dealt with over two straight weeks of email issues. According to the actual MS advisory, this was due to a code update pushed to production to “increase reliability.” No shit!
my canned response is ‘were all beta testers now, buckle up’
😂 absolutely best attitude. Maybe I need to do that at my job (what a shit show that is).
At this point I just have a windows 10 VM for using Adobe. Got a key for like $7 on some sketchy site.
And I was actually kinda liking windows 11, but it’s just clear where this is headed.
Adobe CC is the absolute only thing holding me to Windows on my primary machine. Please, I’d love to hear about your setup and workflow.
I just have a beast of a machine that has more RAM than I know what to do with.
I have a VM of windows 10 that runs in my 4th monitor at all times, it’s got 32 gigs of RAM and 2tb of storage. I have another VM that I only run for rendering which uses my whole GPU as passthru. (Having just the 1 windows VM do that interferes with gaming 😁).
I use my NAS for project folders and both VMs have access to the NAS.
I appreciate it, thank you for the explanation!
No problem!
The Windows VM is running in virtualBox. There’s a few options there, but virtualBox is easy. All you do is download a windows 10 install iso from microsoft, and then build the VM with virtualBox on your Linux system. That’s pretty much it. Windows install will ask for your key. I forget they place I got mine, I’m sure the sketchy markets are sketchy, so be careful/prudent.
Looks like I’ve got my weekend project all lined up. Thanks again!
Isn’t qemu better?
I would just install a qemu VM on my proxxmox server and use Remote Desktop on my Linux, I guess
Why would you pay $7 when the key is probably free for the person you bought it from? Just don’t activate
Licensed work/freelance.
For $7, it’s better safe than sorry.
It is not legal either way
That’s not legal
Illegal stuff is bad, m’kay?
It is illegal to break the terms of service for Adobe. I’m not exactly shedding tears for Adobe (they are a pain) but to comply with the legal requirements you need to follow there terrible rules and policies.
Why? If you buy a retail version, then there are no limitations on where you install it.
You need to buy it directly from Adobe or an official seller.
Unless you are into piracy but from.the sounds of it this person isn’t
What law does it break?
Adobe licensing
Adobe’s Creative Cloud for enterprise, Individual, or Single App Terms of Use permit deployment in a VM. Even if they didn’t, it’s not illegal to violate software terms of use, though it could open you up to a breach of contract.
I meant the $7 license
What’s illegal about a $7 windows license?
It violates Microsoft policies
Linux is freedom, Windows is serfdom, Mac is just dumb.
As a Linux user who moved to Mac, it’s not even remotely dumb.
The other day I wasted who knows how much time trying to get an old version of Xcode to run on macOS 14 because I needed to upgrade the OS for some other unnecessary reason. At least on windows has reasonable compatibility. Macs are different from PCs because they are not ‘personal computers’, they are devices that you buy from Apple with a limited set of computing functionality
Use Opencore. Apple stopping support for older devices makes logical sense, technology progresses, maintaining legacy devices can become tedious and leaves the team with less time to focus on their current devices and versions.
Opencore allows you to update to the latest version of macOS even if not supported. However be aware that it isn’t Apple certified but an open source project so your mileage may vary.
For your final point the Mac’s I have used have been incredibly capable machines that I’ve been able to configure endlessly and run a large variety of languages and tools without many issues. They have sane defaults, are configurable, powerful and they run smoothly.
you have to flip the mouse on it’s back to charg it how tf is that logical
nevermind the fact that you don’t need to make legacy compatibility a hassle. The Darwin kernel should still maintain backwards compatibility and if it doesn’t then LMAO
“they have sane defaults” is the most insane thing I heard about Macs. Their stupid fucking defaults is what I hate the most about macs. Example: enter key. Its default behavior is to RENAME a file while you have to hit a two key combo to open a file. That will never make sense to me. Might sound like a minor thing, but the whole system is so full of such small annoying things. At first I thought it was annoying because I was not used to that stuff, but I’ve been using a Mac for quite a while now and I still find the OS mostly annoying.
Perhaps rather than saying it’s stupid, you can just say “it’s not for me” as I stated I’ve been a long term Linux user, installing everything from Arch to Void, I even did a brief stint using LFS, I enjoy Linux however I prefer macOS, but I don’t go around saying I hate Linux because I don’t there is nothing wrong with it, i just prefer the way macOS works and that is a preference.
Likely macOS is just not the correct choice for you.
it is windows, what to expect lol
I don’t, i work in support
Nice try Microsoft employee.
I actually had that realization yesterday. At this point I hope they keep doing it and making Win11/worse. I’m not moving out of Win10 and I have Linux on all my other PCs, and this should push more people into Linux too.
What about people that use Office 365? Especially if your company uses the OneDrive and Sharepoint integration. While I agree that Windows is becoming ridiculous, Excel just keeps getting better and better. I am at the point where I have actually moved some of my (minor) analytics back into Excel away from Jupyter Notebooks since it is easier to communicate with some stakeholders that way.
Bloomberg Terminal also doesn’t have a Linux (or Mac for that matter) install. Hard to do my job without that.
Make no mistake, I ran Linux for a long time as “daily driver”. Even bought a full Windows 10 license for use in a VM on QEMU. Then I realised all I was doing was booting up my machine and spending my entire day in the Windows VM.
So I guess what I am saying is that Microsoft can get away with murder because of Office 365 (which they now confusingly call Microsoft 365)
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The big advantage of those three is you have it pre-installed. Pre-installed with forced defaults in very powerful.
I see people using edge, never realising that they’re using edge. Asking to install very expensive office 365 suites for very simple documents and power points. Word can’t even display text properly, most people don’t notice because they don’t know any different.
Linux needs a better Ubuntu. One all the Linux users can easily recommend. That manufacturers can be confident shipping on laptops.
Once that hurdle is cleared. The user has Linux pre-installed, the manufacturer provides all the necessary drivers. Linux is often easier to resolve issues with. The settings are clearer and better laid out, dependencies are better and easier to manage than windows. Solutions are easier to find and implement, they also don’t change unexpectedly.
Just got my win 11 update on my corporate pc. I definitely like it more than win 10
Would never use it private, tho
I want the old Windows 10. Actually, I just want Linux
😂Linux is just superior and is fun to use, even updates are fun watching those little yellow guys munching their way to 100%
That’s a pretty low bar, to be fair.
It is low bar to be better than win 10?
Yeah, I mean maybe I’m biased. 10 is the one that got me to go 100% Linux and never look back. Windows 7 could be irritating, but it was manageable, it could be controlled.
🤔 I see, I’m the rare kind of person who liked the changes for win8 and hoped it would work out with those tiles 😂
I keep getting shocked with Arch lately. Software is getting better fast with AI to boost productivity. Blender runs at light speed on a laptop with an i7-6700hq, 16GB DDR4 and a GTX 970. Even Wayland works super well!
Worse? You mean that one setting about ads that everybody already had disabled in the first place?
I can live with it.
This is how Windows rolls out “features” gradually. Next it’ll be on by default, then it’ll need a registry edit, then you’ll need a third party ad blocker…
At every stage we’ll be told it doesn’t matter and it was already basically like that.
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Oh, our apologies JC Denton. What artistic forms are acceptable for your memes? Are all drawings prohibited, or only those in eastern styles?
Apology accepted, I’m just not big into books like manga
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