oldie meme but needed to bring this back due to recent incidents 😭
In my experience, this happens way less on Lemmy than on Reddit before the IPO.
i can’t speak to the frequency but the tone is definitely different when it happens here compared to on reddit, probably influenced by the demographic and field of interest differences. the ml roots of the place really have echoed throughout the tone of the space, so most of the arguments have a really cynical, high alert, almost superstitious affect to them that i never really encountered on reddit. (some random account i thought i was cool with is trying to like psychoanalyze my recent posts to find my true intentions? i gave up on that convo)
your mileage may vary, of course!
I think it can be important to see the intent behind words and ask for clarifications. Oftentimes people are not direct about their opinions.
yuh, totally! i even experienced an example of your counterexample recently https://lemmy.cafe/post/10752342/8934173
egg on my face, i guess i worded a meme so badly it gave 180 degrees the opposite impression (to some). was super thankful to this user for being transparent and helping me identify what part to edit.
I’m convinced that most people don’t read anything before sharing their opinion. An opinion with zero relevance or weight is absolutely useless.
Yeah but I preffer the pineapple before the pizza, that way the mass feels saltier.
So you hate pepperoni?!
DEADASS!!!
So you admit that you’re checking me out? And you wanna mate?
whut da hell
Oh sorry I was making a reference to Xavier: Renegade Angel, where Xavier somehow misinterprets the phrase “Checkmate” to be a proposition for sex, from a clone of himself. (One of those… “Did I watch this at 3am one night or was that a fever dream?” shows)
bwahahaha good to clarify i would never have guessed that
TBF, I understand this annoying kind of ‘reading into it’. at the same time, if someone starts dropping dogwhistles or starts dancing around something in a convo, i am definitely gonna read into that shit.
If you don’t like waffles just say it…
Me when I talk to my wife…
you too? im sorry dude
Idk, she’s super cool to me.
This is anywhere on the internet.
This is anywhere, period. You can do that with letters, you can do that with speeches, or in casual conversations.
And you’re not always wrong about it either.
If you’ve played Disco Elysium, “Welcome to Revachol”. If you haven’t, play it. It’s an amazing game
This is just text written anywhere. There’s an art to making yourself understood in different contexts.
yeah :p bit of a hyperbolic statement my fault
Well, the original post was as well, so fair enough!
Me: “I like pancakes”
Lemmy: “Only a shitlib western imperialist would think that. Read more Lenin.”
Me: “I like waffles”
Lemmy: “HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO GO MY LIFE WITHOUT PANCAKES YOU OPPRESSIVE INSENSITIVE FUCK”
True, properly educated and vetted comrades would prefer blini.
What…. This is on par with any kind of internet discourse. It’s pretty much why I hardly ever post prior to Lemmy. It doesn’t matter how well articulated the post, SOMEONE will find the need to correct or clarify unnecessarily.
it’s really sad because i take great pride and pleasure from reading other people’s thoughts and posts. but when i try to give back, it’s immediately jumped on by dogpilers and “oh you actually meant something else…” people. and when i do the bare minimum to defend myself, they slap back with the “okay buddy, sure” and downvote my defense so it’s invisible to other readers.
needless to say my blocklist is nearing 100 users.
and downvote my defense so it’s invisible to other readers.
Lemmy isn’t an endless torrent of comments. Even downvoted ones get reached.
Wanna get mad? Yesterday drag made a similar post criticising Lemmy, but it focused on the transphobia on the platform. -46 downvotes. Thread full of transphobia anyway. On Blahaj. https://lemmy.nz/post/17415487
hmm i honestly just don’t understand what the post is trying to say. it’s a bit unclear to me but im sorry there was confusion and hard feelings going on
Anyone who thinks pretending to be trans is an effective troll hates trans people.
see i agree with that statement when written out like that. the post doesn’t really do anything to get me to that notion on its own though.
Hm. Maybe it was too subtle? Cunk is explaining why “trolls pretending to be trans” is supposed to be a problem on Lemmy, using her usual brand of accidentally telling it like it is. Lemmy only has a “troll problem” because Lemmy users hate trans people. No trans hate, no troll problem. If everyone respected trans people, nobody would be getting called a troll. If anyone actually tried to troll that way, they’d be met with acceptance and have no power.
hmmm try workshopping different ways to express this thought, i’m quite lost sorry :(
-“Russia should not invade a sovereign country, murder its citizens and deport their children.”
-“Umm, actually, the US were doing crimes in Syria and you should not support them.”
But by contrast
“We need to negotiate an end to the war on Ukraine.”
“Oh so you want to let Russia kill all Ukrainians?”
And then some people comment:
“Yes, we should allow Russia to cleanse the Ukraine. I’m being nuanced, I swear!”
We’re allowing endless war right now, which means fighting to the last Ukrainian. All the aid we give them is meant to keep the war going as long as possible, not to help Ukraine actually win.
Bravery is leaving both the ifunny and imgflip watermarks.
Prior to the US election, there were many people that did this exact thing- only it was “oh yeah? Well… you support genocide!”
They’re rarely here anymore. Which is what was predicted that typically warranted their response to begin with.
On Lemmy it’s more like:
“I don’t like pancakes.”
“Oh, so I suppose that waffles are perfect huh??”
Nah, it’s more like “you should delete windows now and get Linux”
I agree that conversations sometimes end up being about Linux, which is unfortunate. People seldom recommend installing BSD or other free systems, which is a shame. The lesson here is that we should all install OpenBSD.
Fish!
Oh so you hate Linux, huh
Oh, so you hate BSD huh?
Oh, so you hate Plan9 huh?
I see more Motte-and-bailey fallacy.
I see less “I like pancakes” and more “I think pancakes are superior to waffles” from the first commenter.
Then the second commenter responds, “So you hate waffles?”
Then the first commenter retreats to “No, I just like pancakes. Why are you assuming what I’m saying? Don’t you understand I’m being nuanced?”
Also, nuance is one of the more recent words to have a new usage like literally, which can now mean figuratively. When people say their argument is nuanced they mean it is good or correct. It reminds me of the use objective to describe a person to pretend they don’t have biases to incorrectly validate their arguments.
me: lot of pancakes out there
you: actually i see more waffles
(with peace and love haha you make excellent points i just couldn’t resist)
In the context of this self-referencing observation, I would say, I see lots of waffles pretending to be pancakes.
i approve and adopt your extension of the metaphor
A large portion of the world is experiencing political polarization. I see the same things happening on Lemmy happen on other social media websites.
The “if you don’t agree with me you must have the exact opposite opinion” approach to debate seems to be more a problem of the participants than the platform.
Pretty much every time I dare to say anything negative about Russia or China I’m swarmed with illiterate tankie lemmings who jump into the conclusion that criticising one empire automatically means supporting the other empire.
Zzzzzz
Great. Another corpo-fascist centrist who doesn’t understand the Overton Window.
i feel this problem might be worse on the fediverse because of the political communities that form around instances, e.g. .ml, .blahaj.zone, .world
wow can’t believe this guy wants me to kiss nazis on the lips /s
I said don’t kiss Nazi ass. That’s not the same thing.
How can you not like waffles! That’s outrageous! I’m so triggered right now!
That’s a waffleturd take if I’ve ever seen one
You’re just a shill for Big Pancake!
I read that Big Pancake wants to leave the French Toast Accords
tbf, that heuristic works ~80% of the time, which is way higher than I’d like, but that’s the effect of polarization
