I’d sincerely recommend everyone to read his manifesto and think about it a little bit.

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    Important to note: 3D PRINTED FIREARMS DO NOT BREAK WITH A FEW USES

    Firsthand knowledge.

    200-250 rounds and still going strong, inspected before and after firing every time

    No damage so far.

    Beyond that point, I agree with everything posted.

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    to be clear on the “3d printed guns explode after 3 shots” thing.

    It depends. If it’s 100% 3d printed parts, including bolt/slide and barrel, then yah, a few shots is the most you’d get out of it.

    But most “3d printed guns” are using off the shelf barrels and bolts/slides, parts that are usually not registered and tracked. The parts that are register and tracked are usually the parts that hold trigger assemblies and grips, things that can be made of plastic since they’re not directly handling the stress of firing.

    So the fact that the gun (the suspect was arrested with) is intact doesn’t mean it was never used. It also doesn’t mean it was definitely the gun used.

    The situation still seems weird, but, we’ll see what the different parties have to say on the matter when they go to trial.

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    It’s sad seeing a lot of people fall for conspiracy theories like this. Unable to handle the fact that Luigi wasn’t a criminal mastermind but just a regular person like them, only Luigi had the balls to do something about it outside of screaming anonymously into the void.

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      What’s sad is seeing people accept the police’s story at face value. You don’t have to be a criminal mastermind to not be caught with everything needed to hand the case to the prosecution on a gold platter a week after you committed a crime in another state. This is either a set up, or Luigi intended to be caught.

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        I have the same issue with the idea that this is a setup as I do with a lot of other popular conspiracy theories, I just don’t see any possible motive that makes sense. This entire situation has been a total PR nightmare for everyone who could possibly have been involved in the alleged conspiracy. That Luigi intended/expected to be caught seems to me the simplest and most likely explanation for the set of facts we have available. If I were to speculate further, I’d guess Luigi didn’t expect to get as far as he did and was weighing his options while on the run, and basically just decided to turn himself in and chose a public place for his own safety.

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          Really? You really don’t see a motive to make a swift arrest of the man who just fired the shot that might set off the class war? After we just watched every billionaire sweat for the first time in their entire lives?

          NCPD/FBI is being pressured extremely heavily to produce results, and the people doing the pressuring aren’t likely to care if the results are correct just as long as the results are visible - not to mention which, the agencies involved are kind of known for doing stuff like this before. The poors must be reminded that they will be swiftly hunted down and imprisoned or executed if they attempt to follow in the perpetrator’s footsteps. This message must be presented quickly and made visible to every citizen, make a big show of it so everyone knows what happens when you mess with them. (Like a 40-strong perp walk and accusations of terrorism in addition to murder, for instance. Hmm.)

          Therefore, if they really actually can’t find the guy, continual pressure for results is going to become pressure to arrest a patsy instead so we can start the show already. The show must go on. And starting the show requires the star character.

          I have no proof of any of this and it could reasonably be called a conspiracy theory, I guess. I expect no one will ever see anything approaching proof of this, for the usual reasons and methods that police misconduct is covered up with. But my common sense tells me that every detail of the arrest report practically screams “obvious plant” all over it, and the motive to do so is quite clear.

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    potential explanations:

    it’s him and he genuinely wasn’t running (as his confession suggests), whilst also being chased by the police surveillance state, so even if he was running it would take meticulous planning to truly avoid the cops.

    it’s him and he planned to get caught and the confession, the inconsistencies etc. are intended to make prosecuting him “without a doubt” incredibly difficult. You can bet money on his lawyer knowing a lot of these inconsistencies too, and exploiting them in court.

    it’s him but he’s trying to obscure his motives etc. for [reason]. (unlikely)

    it isn’t him but a lookalike who’s being framed for it because of [conspiracy theory]. (unlikely)

    it isn’t him but a lookalike who framed themselves for [reason]. (unlikely)

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      it isn’t him but a lookalike who’s being framed for it because of [conspiracy theory]. (unlikely)

      Because the cops can’t find the real killer but they have to present someone. Saying “we can’t find him” is not an option for them right now. They must present a killer to maintain image. If a killer is not presented then this shot will be heard round the world as the starting gun for a class war. There is no situation in which NCPD will be allowed to not present a killer for swift justice.

      Therefore, if they really actually can’t find the guy because he covered his tracks well… Well, they received an anonymous tip from a McDonald’s about a guy that kind of looks like their guy. Better go bag him so they’ve got something to show for this big manhunt that can appease the overlords.

      The reaction of Luigi himself so far is the only thing that gives me pause about this, because he doesn’t really seem to be denying any of it was him. But I also don’t think he’s actually had a chance to speak in court, or rather for his lawyer to speak for him, and is maybe making the intelligent move called “shutting the fuck up”. We will have to see what gets said in court later. But if he does own up to it, then it means either he definitely is actually The Adjuster or else he’s intentionally choosing to take the fall for whoever is. I find the second option unlikely but not impossible, but it’s too conspiracy-theory for me to back it seriously, and if that really is what he’s doing then I ain’t no snitch anyway. Just write Luigi down in the history books and call it a day.

      But at the end of the day the list of evidence the cops claim to have found on him is one of the fishiest police stories I’ve ever read, and that’s saying something because I’m an American that tracks the news regularly.

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      It could also be not be him, and some deal was made with a lookalike to close the case quickly, or to avoid giving the adjuster a platform to tell his story

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        I mean honestly who can fuckin tell unless he has his own bodycam footage of the shooting just laying around

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    A minor correction, 3D printed guns are fairly reliable nowadays when made in a way such that all pressure bearing parts are made with metal/factory made regular parts

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      You just 3d print the lower reciever, most modern handguns use injection molded plastic for this part, and a good 3d printer (and operator) can get a pretty decent result.

      But its not just the ‘pressure bearing’ parts that cannot easily be 3d printed.

      Almost everything else still has to be either purchased or very, very carefully assembled by hand with skill and machining tools.

      Here’s a Glock 40:

      Its basically a pretty bad idea (impossible with springs) to try to replace any of the metal parts with 3d printed plastic, many more parts than the barrel and slide are made of metal, and many of those parts could easily fail, even after mag worth of ammo or less, and completely brick the weapon.

      People who make or sell 3d printed weapons still have to include a parts kit (or shopping list) with the stuff you can’t 3d print… with the exception of weapons that fire basically .22 or smaller cartidges, and those ones that actually are all 3d printed plastic are not going to survive very many shots.

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      I think it was also clarified that the gun was a Glock with 3d printed lower, which is basically a normal Glock with different plastic.

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          The lower / reciever / frame is the part of a semi auto handgun that has the serial number, as this is the part that is legally considered ‘the firearm’.

          If you 3d print the lower, you can just buy every other part, often without a background check, in many instances without any ID at all, and assemble the gun around your 3d printed lower.

          What makes something a ghost gun is that it does not have a serial number that can be tied back to a purchaser, who would have had to be ID’d / NICS checked or w/e.

          What makes it a ghost gun is not that it is entirely made of plastic that wouldn’t show up on a xray or something, its that it is untraceable to a point of origin if you have the gun and nothing else to go on.

          The other way people do this is by destroying the etched in serial number.

          I haven’t actually heard it confirmed that Luigi only had 3d printed the lower, though for a normal person, that would probably be the easiest way to assemble a ghost gun.

          But, he’s an engineering graduate.

          Its possible he did ‘3d print’ many other components by using metal machining tools.

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      Yeah was gonna comment this. There are totally functional 9mm machine pistols with everything made from printed and standard hardware store parts.

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          Yeah chiming in here to agree, 3D printed guns are now nearly identical in performance to other polymer based guns (like Glocks for instance).

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              All guns degrade after being fired, but modern production firearms are just plastic wrapped around metal tubes. 3D printed guns have always worked on the same principle but it takes time to develop them to the same safety standards.

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              Not if they’re made correctly, with good materials like nylon-cf, correct print settings, and good post processing. It’s a process that takes a day or two and requires a small amount knowledge and skill.

              A handgun made like that will function for thousands of rounds.

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    Don’t forget his confession said how much he respects the feds and the hard work they do

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      “I love the taste of glowie boot and will fellate some leather to completion when you come knocking, but first, crimes”

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        what else are you gonna scrawl hastily? luigi was just a regular upperclassman but with actual gall. opportunity doesn’t wait for you to compose a manifesto

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    The thing that gets me is the McDonald’s employees tip. Whenever something like this happens the police are flooded with false information and bad tips, this case would have been even moreso due to the politics involved. What made them decide this random person in another state was credible? What about this tip in particular made them say “this information should be followed up on.”

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      Most likely Parallel Construction.

      Snowden revealed some of the surveillance powers of PRISM and agencies like the NSA. Local police would not have access to those kinds of technologies, but calls could be made to push the police in the right direction.

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    somehow the cops just know from grainy 140p footage

    was miraculously not shattered into pieces, which happens to all other 3d printed guns.

    the very well-built gun has a particular reload quirk that was seen in the surveillance footage

    the doubt about not disposing the gun is a fair point. i suppose he either wanted to seed doubt to the prosecution (as someone else claimed below), or just forgot to plan this part

    would naturally spend a long period of time sitting in a public place

    fair point, but i think he simply settled into routine. this is corroborated by him being “visibly shaken” and not−well-prepared to someone asking him about the murder

    including the additional time it would take for the cops to respond and then arrive

    he obviously did not know someone tipped him off

    a random McDonald s worker

    slight correction: a fellow customer told the worker. if the concern here is that he would hide his face to the worker, well he may have dropped his guard after going back to his seat

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    my man Luigi’s taking the fall for the real hero, is there nothing this handsome , suffering soul won’t do for good?

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    lost a couple inches in height, changed skin colour

    their new yet slightly different face

    tf you mean

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    Nothing ever happens and everything is a conspiracy

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      I mean they’re taking a few liberties there to.my.knowledge but thats close to the official story and it is contusionesque. Unless Luigi wanted to get caught after letting all CEOs cook for a few days.

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        Which I think would make sense if he wanted to send a message. For example: he lays low and check press coverage to see if they report on it the way he wants. If he doesn’t get the reaction he’s looking for then he can turn himself in and get another chance to speak to the public more directly.

        I can see some logic to it.

        His goal wasn’t to get away with murder, his goal was to highlight the system in a way that couldn’t be ignored.

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      Well, everybody does stupid things, and he may have wanted to get caught…

      But the entire story is incredibly weird. It looks like those official explanations that say “well, he shot himself on the head and 20 minutes later shot his wife; that’s absolutely the case!”

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        I think it’s much more likely that he either wanted to be caught, or it could just be that the guy that did something ill advised (killing someone in public while making very little effort to hide his face besides a cloth mask that he pulled down on several occasions) didn’t really have much in the way of a contingency plan.