- Die in a few weeks? No
- Get more users than reddit? No
- Be a place in the long run for privacy minded people to escape corporatism and have discussions about any topic? Yes
Let’s be real, most of the growth of Reddit over the last 5 or so years haven’t been the type of folks generating good content and discussion anyway. Even if Lemmy gets like 1% of the userbase this place is going to thrive.
A large majority of the content posted there seems to be from bot accounts. No matter what you think Reddit’s active userbase is, it is heavily inflated.
Yup. I remember seeing a post of the top karma accounts on reddit and it was removed by the admins before I could finish blocking them all.
Meanwhile back in 2016 when I still bothered to participate in political subs it became painfully clear that the russian troll farms were real and that they were enflaming both sides of issues in order to manufacture outrage.
Than we saw the consolidation of power mods and retaliatory moderation/administration.
I hope every bitcoin and nft bro is left holding reddits handbags come IPO.
Regardless I’ll never go back. If lemmy dies I’ll get a fucking life or something lol
Oh absolutely.
I see a ton of support, thousands are making the jump and dozens of apps are being made/getting updated now. Seems Lemmy/Kbin will only grow from here as long as there’s no major setbacks
It was here before the Reddit implosion, will be after. Question is, will you be?
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Glad to hear it. I deleted 2 accounts with over 100k karama, and moved fully to Lemmy. I’m here to stay as well. Reddit is dead to me.
100%, 12 year daily reddit user - feels like I’m out of a bad relationship. I moved all my third party apps off three weeks ago and have replaced all my time with Lemmy and the Fediverse.
I didn’t realize how poorly the experience had degraded - scrolling content mindlessly, most interactions were dull and sometimes weirdly antagonistic.
Conversely, my experience on Lemmy has been interesting content with more depth, connecting with people in a warm and welcoming way. I don’t expect this to become reddit - I wouldn’t really want it to.
I am excited for a future here as the third party apps are removed last this week and we can start a new adventure together.
Even if this does become reddit, here at lemmy.world, just move to a different Instance, block lemmy.world, and boom. Problem solved.
Would not take long to do. I expect many people will do just this. We’re probably going to be one of the most commonly defederated-with Instances, just due to being the largest and thus, spammiest.
But also the one with the most content as well.
Spam control really depends on the ability of the admins and moderation, as well as the quality of the mod tools. Lemmy is nowhere near the size of reddit yet for that to be a problem.
It’s more fun talking to folks than bots.
Same. I’m not going back. Also, Lemmy/kbin have become way more active than before. I hope they gain more traction.
Was using RiF and reddit for 12 years. Been on lemmy for a few weeks and I don’t miss reddit. Certainly not going to try to use the official reddit app. So probably not using reddit even if I wanted to in the future.
Hmmm the main question is whether it can get it’s content to show up in search results - this being the main selling point of Reddit and other platforms.
Right now, if you help someone fix an issue it’s pretty much walled in and unavailable.
Yeah, I was talking to my wife about this.
Today I can search “whatever reddit”, but with Lemmy-like I have no idea how, since it’s not centralized.
Yes, getting lemmy’s link high enough on google that it can even be compared to reddit’s is a critical but immensely difficult battle to fight since the latter has 18 years of inertia, I guess it all comes down to a matter of pumping the OC and high quality content consistently for a very long time
agreed, is there any way to fix this?
i’m fairly certain that it really just depends on the google web crawlers to find and index pages. but if the posts are public that’s just a matter of time.
even with reddit, a post has a new URL so takes some time to be indexed by google or other search engines.
so maybe it’s just a matter of delivering relevant content over time so that lemmy results get preferred over others
Lemmy was here before Reddit and it’ll be around for a long time.
Presumably you mean Lemmy was here before the recent reddit implosion
Correct. Good catch.
Two things to bear in mind…
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Lemmy existed before this current reddit fiasco, so it will exist after
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there are a critical mass of users now, and imo the userbase will continue to grow, with more and more unique content added
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Android / iOS apps are out, and in development. Mod tools are coming (iirc). As fediverse becomes less technical / easier to use, it’s only going to attract more people
I think it’s likely that we’re only seeing the first wave as well. The ones most affected by third party app shutdowns are the ones that are posting all of the content and doing the moderation. Once the apps go away, it’s likely the most valuable of reddit’s users do as well. I have been on reddit since like 07 I think, and once I can’t use Apollo any longer my use of reddit is effectively gone. I’ll still occasionally browse on desktop, but even then the only way I can tolerate the desktop version is with a bunch of add ons and old.reddit which I assume is next on the block.
We’ve already seen this on twitter. Now it’s just an echo chamber for nazis, increasingly fewer celebs, and marketers (which, tbh it kinda always has been, it’s just worse now.) Moving over to mastodon wasn’t fun for a week or two, but now there is a critical mass and basically everything I got from twitter I can get from masto now. Twitter still has tons of users and dwarfs masto, but that’s a lot of chaff for not a lot of wheat.
In terms of apps, some are out, but there is still nothing that comes close to Apollo especially on iOS. With the dev of Sync and I think RIF announcing Lemmy clients, that’s about going to be a done deal. Quite a lot of my regular follows from twitter didn’t move over until Ivory and a couple of other good clients came out, so as soon as there is a comparable set of Lemmy clients, I’d say it’s pretty much done.
All that said, Reddit’s already a shell of what it was even a few months ago. It’s maybe not as easy to tell, but as someone who’s been there forever, you can tell this is different. And I know personally, even though I used reddit like junkies used meth, I’m now checking rss again, discord for various communities, Lemmy, kbin, and even a few specific forums and so forth.
Spez running an absolute master class in how to ruin a business.
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This place has existed for a lot longer than the last month.
Lemmy will last because it was already around. I don’t think it will die in a few weeks. Today is my first day using it and I love it. I’m sure anyone who tries it will like it, too.
Been here a week or so - definitely different but I’m enjoying it. Less mindless scrolling, just good chats.
Lemmy is really the only solution because it is becoming as indepth as reddit is/was. What sucks is it will still be like a splinternet situation, having to spread all of our solutions across the internet.
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That’s whats holding me back on fully moving to Lemmy. Aside from the smaller number of users and, consequently, content, the need to use more than one account and website can be really annoying.
You don’t need more than one account. To follow other lemmy instances from your lemmy.world account, copy the full link from the other instances sub, and paste it in the search page on lemmy.world foudn by click the magnifying glass in the top right. It should pop up in the search result where you can subscribe.
I was talking about defederation :/ Especially from beehaw, I really like it there but can’t interact with lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works from there 😰
But you can interact with beehaw from lemmy.world. I just tested it
The whole concept of federation is that you only need to use one account and one website to access all the others.
Maybe the thing we need to work on is educating people about how the fediverse works
We went from everyone hosting their personal websites to thousands of blogs to a handful social media websites. The history has favoured homogenisation. Fediverse (not Lemmy) might be that one thing where everyone shares their thoughts; siloed social media websites like Reddit will probably become irrelevant in the future like the “internet” forums from the ‘00s are today.
I’m confident that the Fediverse will last. Sure, there’s a lot of challenges with having nodes that can choose to not federate with each other; However, a large majority should federate over time so there can be cross-collaboration. At its worst case, we’ll have some segmented nodes that, while unfederated, will still foster good communities. Nodes will come and go.
While these large, centralized services for social media exist, people will always gravitate toward convenience. Unless catastrophe strikes, Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. will always exist. But the fediverse gives us choice in a system where we generally had no choice but to use those platforms. After all, the alternative was old Forums that still had a solid userbase while other Forums collapsed and disappeared. If you provide a similar or better service to centralized services that is also convenient and user-friendly, then people will join the fediverse.
At the moment it is nascent, complex, and requires some confidence. Things that seem simple such as searching for another Community on another instance and joining it can be difficult for users to grasp. Over time this will get better.
Having grown up alongside the internet in its infancy, I’ve been very appreciative to experience the way in which it has changed over time. We’re seeing another gradual shift, and a massive user base will associate with the fediverse. It’s not going anywhere, but it certainly will never topple these massive corporations that have invested heavily into centralizing power, capturing the regulators and markets, and establishing themselves as information cartels that feast on the flow of money in the economy (read: parasitic leeches).
At the end of the day, I couldn’t care less about these other social media platforms. I’ve embraced decentralization and am having a blast here with the fediverse. It reminds me of the earlier days of the internet. I’m excited to see where this evolves and also watch it grow.
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Personal opinion: activity will spike around now, then plateau not much lower than its peak. It’ll probably never be as popular as Reddit. I imagine most people will run into some minor inconvenience, then never try to use it again, and the rest of us will be here for years.
I guess a big spike is still ahead, which will be around Saturday, once the 3rd party reddit apps shut down for good.
When Reddit forces “new Reddit” is when the real migration will occur. Reddit is dying more and more every day.
But they promised us that old reddit isn’t going anywhere. Surely, we can trust that something won’t happen if they say it won’t happen, right?
You can trust that it won’t happen in the next fifteen minutes, probably. I wouldn’t believe much further out than that.
I think the 3PA devs got about four months, right?
Reddit in January: we will not charge for the API. Not in the next few years, at least.
Reddit in April: charges are coming, but they’ll be totally reasonable and based in reality
Reddit in May: if you want to use the API, you should pay us 29x what we make from customers that don’t use it
I think people will vent and quite a decent percentage will return to reddit eventually. Like it happened with twitter since Elon did his thing. But lemmy will stay. It has been here before all the people migrated from reddit and the fediverse in general will keep having a right to exist. And it will.
AFAIK, Mastodon actually did gain a sizeable amount of users that actually stayed, even though the number of users has dropped since the peak.
I personally think something like Lemmy works better than Mastodon, since content is more important here than the users, which I think makes it more easy to have a self-sustaining community.
Define “a few weeks”
The blackout started 12-06 which is 2 + weeks ago.
Lemmy and Kbin are still here and I see no sign of it slowing down. I see much more posts with more engagement which is a good thing.
I don’t think it’ll die… but it is a community that needs to be built basically from the ground up, while both the Lemmy/fediverse backend technology and infrastructure are actively being developed. Reddit refugees who want a drop-in alternative to doomscroll will probably be the first to leave.
The success or failure will be determined by the number of people willing to make an effort to post. Whether Lemmy (or the fediverse in general) will exceed the numbers of other services… I doubt it, but we wouldn’t be here if we only cared about numbers.
