I’m not sure if this is the right place for a discussion, or if I should rather open an issue at Codeberg.
Anyways, some bold soul posted the first link on @nsfw, which I saw browsing All. It was properly tagged as 18+, but the cropped thumbnail already showed some explicit content.
My proposal would therefore be to blur at least the thumbnails in 18+ posts. I’m not sure how to handle this with federated stuff from e.g. Lemmy, as I have no idea if posts from there can even be tagged 18+.
What does everyone think?
Seconding this. NSFW/adult content is a pretty broad category(from just suggestive to full-on porn), so I’d rather have the option to keep marked posts blurred until you actually click on them, than hide them altogether.
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Agreed, @ernest personally I’d like a Relay for Reddit style blurred/18+ thumbnail until it’s clicked.
I thought porn wasn’t even allowed on this instance? I thought I remembered some rule in regards to that? But maybe I remember wrongly (I did browse all sorts of alternatives/sites in the past 24 hrs so I might well be wrong about it)
As far as I’m concerned I have no problems whatsoever if kbin were to ban porn - there are all many other platforms available for porn, and I think it’s more of a “cheap” content - in the sense that people don’t interact that much with it, don’t comment and don’t form strong communities around it.
Most, like me - I assume, just jerk off and then fuck off.Not everything NSFW is literal porn.
I think in the most part you’re right in that it’s “cheap” content, but an exemption would be those posting pictures of themselves (be it for fun or for self-promotion). They might be among the ones to suffer the most from Reddit’s change of policies, and they have a lot to gain from decentralized networks where they gain ownership over their publications.
I guess more specialized servers might appear at some point, and of course it’s up to the owners of each server whether they want to host their content. I do think, however, that the software should be built to empower these people as well, as they might need it more than most.
Personally I’m not a consumer of that kind of porn/erotic content, but this is a very valid point and I agree with it wholeheartedly.
Creators of porn/erotic content should have a space for it.
What makes it especially trick is when such social networks try to get funding for their servers once things kick up - if I remember correctly it was the crackdown from corporate credit cart companies that led to all sorts of sites cracking down on pornographic content.
I dunno how things are nowadays, but regardless having porn content on the site might pose some difficulties in the future.Its such a strange dichotomy.
Adult content undoubtedly drives a lot of traffic.
A site hosting it as well as non-adult content then gets attention from a potential buyer so the adult content gets turfed… but surprise surprise so does the traffic.I know its somewhat risky, especially when the community is left to moderate, but there is undoubtedly business opportunites there.
I wonder how long it will be before a major company decides that the traffic outweighs the risk and just embraces it.
I think there’s also a huge difference between at least four types of explicit content:
- Normal content that prudish people would be upset by, like a picture of Michelangelo’s David or a news article about a tribe in the Amazonas. I don’t think this should even be tagged NSFW. I mean, come on.
- Self-posting, which can be well moderated and is generally unproblematic if tagged NSFW (and the creators are consenting adults, obviously).
- Generic non-original content, which is more problematic and often stolen from somewhere. This is the tricky gray zone. Some content is fine, other might be problematic both ethically (reposting someone’s intimate pictures from for example a closed only fans account) and legally (copyright).
- Revenge porn and all the shit that shouldn’t ever be on the internet to begin with. This needs to be avoided at all cost, and servers posting it need to be de-federated asap. This is probably the greatest existential threat along with right wing trolls.
I think the first should be allowed on any server. The second and third are fine as long as long as they are well moderated - whether they’re up to the task I guess is up to whoever maintains the instance.
This is a great breakdown.
1 is obvious. Artistic, informational, that sort of thing is hopefully not seen as an issue outside the most prudish.2 is I think the most important. 3 can be found anywhere on the web. 4 shouldnt exist anywhere.
Allowing people to express themselves freely is what I want to see from the fediverse. If that involves naked media, so be it. I dont think we need anymore repositories for people posting commercial pictures, but I want to see places where are free to explore and share their sexualities without it necessarily being a commercial porn site.
Its definitely complicated and hard to articulate, but hopefully the fediverse is able to adapt to something like this. Not necessarily kbin or lemmy or anywhere that even currently exists, but hopefully.something comes along to fill that space.
This is a key point for me.
There is clearly no shortage of commercial porn on the internet, but self produced (for pleasure or profit) lacks places outside of reddit and twitter.I think a decentralised space is ideal for this purpose, as long as it can be effectively hidden from view unless you opt in.
There’s nothing wrong with nudity, from prudish to explicit. I understand not wanting it on your main feed, but I dont understand the issue with it being in a segregated space.
I suspect reddits success is in no small part due to hosting but also effectively segregating adult content.
I disagree. There are a lot of niche porn communities on Reddit with active participation and discussion.
Consider, for example, r/EroticHypnosis (NSFW). Content of that nature is difficult to find, and there’s a lot to discuss about personal experiences and how to practice. There’s a community around that topic and it fits very well into this format.
That’s interesting. The post might already be gone, but I was still able to open it by checking “newest” on All again when I wrote my original post. Maybe it was still cached?
Anyways, even if porn is banned (which I too think is a sensible approach because moderating that stuff would be a huge headache nobody needs) there might be other articles marked 18+ that should not show up with a potentially graphic image in one’s list.
I guess this is just an oversight by @ernest, which I don’t blame him for in any way. This project is still alpha.
As I said, I have no idea how Lemmy handles that stuff.
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Oh no, no, I might’ve worded my comment wrongly. I still very much can see the NSFW post in question.
I tried looking for the rulle that said no NSFW content but couldn’t find it - it is very likely I saw that somewhere else and not on kbin.Also I see in my settings that you can hide adult content https://i.imgur.com/9fj5lvn.png and after I check that, the post in question no longer shows. (it also doesn’t show if you’re logged out)
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Now that you mention it, I think you’re spot on. That’s where I saw the NSFW ban
fwiw, I’m also not a huge fan of the conflation of “NSFW”, “18+”, and “adult content”. A separation between
NSFWand18+would be a good compromise with18+being more prone to discretion than NSFW: NSFW is what you might now want showing up at work, whereas 18+ is what you wouldn’t want others to see on your phone or in other informal situations.This way, people might also be more likely to flag something as NSFW without feeling like they’re being prudish since there are more granular visibility settings.
