Nintendo’s lawyers argued in a letter to Valve that Dolphin operates by incorporating Nintendo’s “proprietary cryptographic keys” by decrypting the ROMs of GameCube and Wii software, thereby violating the DMCA. Nintendo is referring to the Wii Common Key, a decryption key built into Wii hardware that was extracted more than a decade ago by a separate group — known as Team Twiizers — and incorporated into Dolphin’s code.
The team behind Dolphin argued in their blog post about the emulator’s Steam release that “only an incredibly tiny portion of our code is actually related to circumvention,” and that using the Wii Common Key does not apply to GameCube games.
It doesn’t. Encryption keys are not code and are not copyrightable. Distributing them is also not illegal. The word “proprietary” here is meaningless at best and dishonest at worst.
Of course actually using that key to circumvent drm may be illegal, but I’m no lawyer. Send like that would be on Dolphin’s users anyway.
Food for thought: if Nintendo genuinely thought they had a good legal argument against Dolphin, why wouldn’t they just send them a cease and desist directly instead of just getting them kicked off Steam?
They very well might now - valve went to Nintendo to ask about dolphin. Nintendo might not have looked into it previously but now they have. They recently got the android switch emulator “skyline” shut down via dcma. Dolphin might be next.
Nowhere in there does it say it’s copyrighted. And, once again, in the blog they point out that you can’t copyright a string of numbers and letters, which is all the key is. Additionally, they point out that the key has been freely shared in other contexts for years.
Idk, man. Go read the blog. They consulted with an actual lawyer before making any claim. Unless you’d like to pit your law degree against theirs? Are you a Nintendo lawyer trolling Lemmy on the sly?
This is the funniest thing. It didn’t go through Valve’s lawyers. There was no DMCA takedown. They asked Nintendo if they were comfortable with Dolphin being up, Nintendo said no and claimed a bunch of legal things but never filed a legal request.
But whatever, dude. I’m done summarizing the blog for you. Obviously you want to act like you know what’s going on without doing research and I’m tired of doing it for you.
So let’s supose for a moment they do distribute the code, so what? It’s really the end of the world?
Nintendo doesn’t sell GameCube or Wii games anymore, if you wan’t to play them good luck finding the products at good price (also, again, doing it in a second market where Nintendo doesn’t earn anything, just the speculators).
We always say that piracy solves a problem, and in this case is to mantain an replay those games that were forgotten. At least Xbox is retro compatible and Sony, although not having all games, has a variety with Plus.
Its true that Nintendo has something similar to Sony, but only with the classic games and only a few, it doesn’t have Wii or Gamecube.
Sorry for the long text, but I really hate Nintendo for doing this kind of things. Just a shame they do such great games so people forgive them.
Cloud saves kinda big ngl
RetroArch is on steam right now and that has Nintendo emulators in it. So I dont see why not.
Dolphin uses literal copyrighted Nintendo code, that’s the issue.
No, it doesn’t and no, it’s not. The blog post from dolphin that I’m assuming this article is parroting articulates that perfectly.
It does actually.
It doesn’t. Encryption keys are not code and are not copyrightable. Distributing them is also not illegal. The word “proprietary” here is meaningless at best and dishonest at worst.
Of course actually using that key to circumvent drm may be illegal, but I’m no lawyer. Send like that would be on Dolphin’s users anyway.
Food for thought: if Nintendo genuinely thought they had a good legal argument against Dolphin, why wouldn’t they just send them a cease and desist directly instead of just getting them kicked off Steam?
They very well might now - valve went to Nintendo to ask about dolphin. Nintendo might not have looked into it previously but now they have. They recently got the android switch emulator “skyline” shut down via dcma. Dolphin might be next.
There’s no chance that a company as litigious as Nintendo somehow didn’t know Dolphin existed or how it works.
They know that they have no chance of winning because Dolphin is legal.
Keys aren’t code.
Nowhere in there does it say it’s copyrighted. And, once again, in the blog they point out that you can’t copyright a string of numbers and letters, which is all the key is. Additionally, they point out that the key has been freely shared in other contexts for years.
Idk, man. Go read the blog. They consulted with an actual lawyer before making any claim. Unless you’d like to pit your law degree against theirs? Are you a Nintendo lawyer trolling Lemmy on the sly?
Valve thought it was a good enough case to not allow dolphin on steam. Maybe talk to their lawyers.
This is the funniest thing. It didn’t go through Valve’s lawyers. There was no DMCA takedown. They asked Nintendo if they were comfortable with Dolphin being up, Nintendo said no and claimed a bunch of legal things but never filed a legal request.
But whatever, dude. I’m done summarizing the blog for you. Obviously you want to act like you know what’s going on without doing research and I’m tired of doing it for you.
So let’s supose for a moment they do distribute the code, so what? It’s really the end of the world?
Nintendo doesn’t sell GameCube or Wii games anymore, if you wan’t to play them good luck finding the products at good price (also, again, doing it in a second market where Nintendo doesn’t earn anything, just the speculators).
We always say that piracy solves a problem, and in this case is to mantain an replay those games that were forgotten. At least Xbox is retro compatible and Sony, although not having all games, has a variety with Plus.
Its true that Nintendo has something similar to Sony, but only with the classic games and only a few, it doesn’t have Wii or Gamecube.
Sorry for the long text, but I really hate Nintendo for doing this kind of things. Just a shame they do such great games so people forgive them.
I agree, I think it’s bullshit. The second a console is discontinued and games are no longer sold new I think emulation should be 100% legal.
It’s 100% legal anyway. What isn’t legal is distributing rom files of the game or BIOS files from the system.
Sorry yeah I mean all aspects of emulation, including ripping and distributing the games and system bios etc.