Obligatory what the fuck is wrong with how the US pays service people.
Tipping is for special appreciation, not basic sustenance.
We live in hell, that’s what.
The US made it legal to pay tipped employees basically no wage (like pennies an hour). Tipping is stupid but if you don’t do it the employee is basically unpaid.
I’d split the difference by just paying them based on my estimation of the time and effort they spent. The cost of the thing I bought should have no bearing. This notion that the tip should be 15/18/20% or whatever of your final bill is idiotic.
The US made it legal to pay tipped employees basically no wage
Not everywhere anymore, California made that shit illegal a year ago and it’s fucking great to slap that in the face of every fucking cunt trying to clap me an asshole for not tipping 20% on an $80 bill for someone who couldn’t keep my drink filled
That is awesome. Good job California
I feel like that’s what the percentage was meant to approximate. Because more people in a party are likely to have a larger bill and will definitely be more work. Of course there are more variables and one constant percentage won’t always result in the same reasonable wage for their work.
There’s a history lesson filled with sexism and racism there.
This case is not US specific. In Germany delivery drivers usually get tipped too.
Was this before or after the delivery app rent seekers set up shop around the world?
I like how all stores even the shady ones like dollar general now want you to give money to some ‘charity’ at check out. Like I’m going to help them with some tax dodging scam they are running. I no longer tip anywhere I go. I don’t go to the places that force a tip on you.
I used to think this way until someone on lemmy told me it wasn’t the case. Those donations are nontaxable - it goes directly to those charities.
And you don’t get the tax receipt for them
Except I read a article that said they did get to use it as a tax dodge in certain cases. That article had a list of companies that used it that way and dollar general was on that list. At some point you have to accept that the whole system is rotten and for every responsible entity just trying to do a good thing there are ten others that define whats good by whats good for them and only them.
Please link the article
The peer pressure based donation for enabling corporate tax evasion is BS. It should be disallowed because all it’s doing is letting big corps not pay their due taxes
on the one hand, tipping is toxic and enables exploitation
on the other hand, i respect the grind and understand life is hard out there for people just trying to get byI’ll usually tip 20% for delivery drivers because going literal MILES to bring me my food is objectively more daunting than crossing a room.
I always tip my pizza delivery driver, but he’s also the owner of the business and the guy making the pizza, and the pizza is fucking awesome.
What does he do when multiple people order for delivery at once?
Make as many as’ll fit in the oven and then deliver those. He only delivers locally and it usually takes 60 to 90 minutes to arrive, so it’s better to pre-order.
Badass, sounds like it’s worth the wait
local pizza joints are a t r e a s u r e .
My favorite place, i love their pasta dishes even more than their pies. THEY get the big tips!
I miss mine, they closed down about 4mo after I quit because I couldn’t pay my bills anymore, because during covid people had stopped tipping as much, and the people that were tipping more to make up for the other’s slack just couldn’t tip enough to make it work because they have bills too of course. Now we have some local chain type things but it’s not the same quality and instead of $8/hr+tip they pay $5.25/hr+tip out of the store and $7.25 in store, so it sucks for drivers too.
, i respect the grind and understand life is hard out there for people just trying to get by
Exactly, if appropriate I would tip someone even if they’re adequately paid by their employer. Though I think it would make more sense if the minimum wage is raised instead. I also get why some cultures dislike tipping, so I just treat it on a case by case basis
$29.75
10% - Move the decimal. $2.975
Round up - $3.00
Half that for 5% - $1.50
15% - $4.50
Double for 20% - $6.00Or get rid of tipping.
That’s a completely separate situation.
Yes, tipping culture is out of control and needs to be abolished. But screwing over the wait staff or delivery driver currently providing you service will never have any impact on the big wigs that made the decision to play them less than minimum wage.
Why is this so difficult for people?
Pay reasonable tips for reasonable service people paid under minimum wage. Also work with your local politicians to eliminate tipping. Do not withold tips from people working under minimum wage unless you just want to be part of the boot stepping on them.
Why is this so difficult for people?
Because, for the people who refuse to “get it,” it isn’t actually about exploitation or whatever other lip service they give to make themselves seem magnanimous for not tipping, it’s about the fact that they don’t want to give the delivery driver a penny and have to lie to you and themselves so they think they’re good people. They’re not, though. If they were they’d see it like you do, they’re just selfish and deep down they know it so they concoct their lies to defer blame from their conscience.
Or perhaps I avoid services that expect tips.
No, if you do that you get it.
“Don’t give the place your money” is good,
“give the place the money but not the staff member” is bad.
If you avoid those places what I said doesn’t apply to you, you’re already doing the thing I said is better.
Nah, it’s because we don’t keep putting forth a Strawman argument. Tipped jobs are ALLOWED to pay their workers less than minimum wage IF AND ONLY IF their tips do not make up the difference. If they do not, the employer must cover it.
It is literally subsidizing the wages that otherwise the business would legally have to pay. So how do you fight back? You don’t tip and employees need to properly report their tips. The system already has the mechanism in place to fix this.
But you say this and all the people who make WAY MORE than minimum wage with their tips get up in arms because you’re daring to take away their advantage. It’s being exploited by both sides. It’s not about fair treatment for everyone, it’s about “getting mine at someone else’s expense”.
Of course, that assumes lack of regulatory capture, a regulatory agency interested in effective enforcement, enough funding to do that enforcement, and effective protections for whistleblowing when employers threaten to fire employees who don’t report high enough tips even when they don’t receive them.
The US don’t have more than one of these (I don’t know the situation on regulatory capture, so I’m giving benefit of the doubt there).
Yes and you not tipping makes a difference how exactly? By making sure the exploitative business gets enough money to keep exploiting their workers for $7.25 instead of $2.13? You’re doing great sweaty, keep it up. Don’t bother boycotting businesses as that would inconvenience you, better to help exploit the worker and then get mad at them about it, that’ll help!
Fuck outta here with your high horse.
Euro version:
service was OK - round up to 30€
service was good - give 2€ extra
service was exceptional - give 5€ extra
(doesn’t scale with the price of the food)Italian version:
Pay exactly €29,75 and guard the receipt with your life, or you’re in trouble.
I always saw tipping mostly as a way to avoid dealing with change, so now that I pay with card almost everywhere and change is no longer relevant, I like to round it up to neat numbers like 333 or 456 to make it tiny bit easier to enter on the terminal.
For me it’s do the 10% quick math then double. I never tip less than 20% even if someone is not great just because people have shit days in customer service (my field). If they’re great I go up from there and leave a nice message of appreciation. They never hear praise enough.
Plus if you end up going back they won’t forget stellar tips and you will get priority/better seating/treated more like a friend which is always nice. Ex. For work we frequent a great local BBQ place that also serves a rotating selection of local brews. One waitress is amazing and always treats us well. Can’t say the good tips we leave are the reason but I’m sure it doesn’t hurt.
Fuck people that expect and pressure for tips. It’s literally optional.
Pressure your manager instead
In my experience, no one has ever pressured me for a tip. But again, that’s just me so I feel bad if you’ve experienced that
Countless times. I’ve even had a server ask me for a tip before giving me my food.
why is the customer made the butt of the joke here?
Because they took forever to add a $1 tip to the total (as they indicate by saying it takes them a while to do the math)
To add to that they gave a low ass tip
Right? If it’s grubhub or Ubereats I wouldn’t pick that customer again
It should be the company’s responsibility to pay you properly, not the customer’s
Yes, but until such time that is happening, you are also an asshole for not tipping where people are being paid under minimum wage.
Amazingly, both of these concepts can be true simultaneously!
You not tipping the service worker will never have any impact on the company’s decision to be assholes and pay less than minimum wage.
Working with local politicians and boycotting said companies might. But most people in the US complaining about this shit want to have their cake and eat it too.
The employee shouldn’t shift blame onto the customer though. Like if the customer decides not to give you a big tip, don’t get mad at the customer. Get mad at your own employer for not paying you a living wage and expecting customers to just volunteer more money regardless of their financial situation.
regardless of their financial situation
I’m too broke to order for delivery and tip and all that. Do you know what I do? I pick up, or cook at home. I don’t engage with the service that would expect me to tip, because if I’m too poor to spend $5 on not being a huge cunt I’m too poor to spend $20 on a pizza, I’m gonna cook a damn $5 Red Baron, or $7 worth of pasta and sauce for the next two days.
If you can’t afford to tip, you can’t afford the menu price either. Source: I can’t afford the tip, and while I may have the menu price on me rn I truly need to save it because there’ll be something I need it more for later than momentary endorphins released by melted cheese.
Thankfully I don’t live in a society where this is the case.
Tell that to uber eats
You could, if America was a lot more like Europe.
If America was a lot more like Europe, Ukraine would be part of Russia right now.
Supplementing income isn’t the only reason to tip, but I agree it’s easier when the service provider just includes a fixed service charge for whatever service rendered https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratuity
Tips are bullshit anyway.
And that’s the delivery driver’s fault how, exactly?
That’s the customer’s fault how exactly?
The customer initiated the transaction under the conditions that currently exist.
That’s beside the point.
People tip pizza guys a dollar? Man, we were tipping $5 back in the 90’s. I tip $10-$12 now. The dude just drove to my house and brought me pizza, he deserves some compensation.
compensation… for doing the job he is paid to do… right.
look, if you live at the end of a long shitty dirt road, or maybe the last apartment on the top floor of a 6 story walk up - then they’re going above and beyond. Hell yeah, tip more.
Tip to be nice, because times are tough and you have some extra cash.
But don’t tip because someone did the bare minimum that they get paid to do anyway.
Don’t tip because it’s expected. Don’t tip if you can’t afford it.
you, by simply spending what little you have and can, are helping pay their wage already. You’re doing your part. That is: don’t feel guilty if you can’t or don’t tip.
Do feel warm and fuzzy if you can and do tip, though. it’s still nice to do :)
Not that I agree with it, but in no time in the 90s did I know of pizza delivery that wasn’t tips-dependent, like restaurants in places. No gas reimbursement or anything at minimum. And this was in Canada where tip culture is dampened compared to the US.
If I can’t afford to tip, then I can’t afford to get delivery.
Don’t they get paid by the service that decided to be in the food delivery business?
At Domino’s about 7 years ago, we got paid minimum wage, plus I think a dollar per delivery item, (multiple houses on some trips when we were busy counted each order) and then tips on top. That per order bonus I think has gone up since then.
They charged the customer a $3.50 delivery fee though.
There was also a class action suit that showed that the per delivery bonus didn’t cover the wear and tear and gas for the delivery, and could push the driver under minimum wage if they didn’t get tips.
Americans have to use their own care? Wtf?
Yup, but of course according to the selfish they don’t deserve tips for that. Personally I think we should all just stop delivering and force everyone to pick up. People clearly don’t appreciate it, why put wear and tear on your car and soul for people who actively hate you, y’know?
They usually get paid minimum wage, and people delivering pizzas for a living typically don’t have a whole lot of choices for what they do to make ends meet.
They’re also likely not being fairly compensated for the wear and tear on their vehicle. Yes it should be something the worker factors in themselves, but thats not always an easy choice/option.
Agreed, people got mad at me for suggesting literally the same hah ¯_ (ツ)_/¯
Edit: in their defense, I think they objected more to the idea that a delivery person should avoid anyone who doesn’t tip. I get why they’d feel that way, it’s understandable
Gotta pay for wear and tear for one’s car. It’s just a business decision. Nothing personal.
Tipping culture aside, how is the US so behind the times on payment systems? Everywhere else you tap on a machine, and if tip is needed you can enter the percent or dollar amount. What is this paper signing bull shit from the 60s?
This is mostly the same in the us. It’s less common for drivers though, because you typically pay when you place the order and the driver just has you sign the paper as acknowledgement that you got the order.
This way the driver doesn’t need to carry around a card machine everywhere they go, instead the slip can go right with the receipt on the hot bag, this also means the driver doesn’t need to futz around with figuring out which order the tip goes to since they may have 3 or 4 orders on their run.
I delivered pizzas for a long time, there was about a six month period where we switched to square and it was horrible, people out in the country with no service meant I couldn’t run their card, also since the order wasnt processed already, people would argue about the price when we got there, even though they accepted the price on the phone, trying to get a deal since we already drove all the way out.
Signing a slip of paper is the absolute fastest method for a delivery driver and there is no obligation to fill in the ‘total’ part, you can just put the tip value on the tip line and a line through the total, no math.
Write the number 5 on a piece of paper and that’s it, faster than any machine, no hiccups with cell service, no batteries to keep charged, no greasy fingerprints on the screen. No worry about dropping it down 15 stories of stairs at a hotel, etc.
Apple Watch’s calculator app has a convenient tip calculator on it-
Oh. Oh, it’s a joke about not wanting to pay large tips. Hah.
Because of course everybody has an Apple Watch.
