You want me to dissect the history of Israel, Korea, Morocco, Germany, the Byzantine Empire, Russia, India, Egypt, Rome… seriously? Not the time and place.
I want you to give one example of the thing you claimed will happen actually happening. Name a time an oppressed class got rights, then oppressed the people that oppressed them.
He met your burden of proof and then some. You asked him to cite sources and he did. You requiring a specific situation is partly you moving the goalposts, and partly you simply being lazy. You are not arguing in good faith and until you start, there is no reason to interact with you.
Don’t get it twisted. You’re the one that is flying in the face of overwhelming data, not the other way around.
It’s not his fault that you refuse to read anything at all about history. But to help you out I will give you a very notable one.
One notable instance of a persecuted minority group gaining rights and eventually persecuting their former persecutors is the history of Christians in the Roman Empire.
During the early centuries of the Common Era, Christians were a minority group within the Roman Empire and faced periods of intense persecution. This persecution included being blamed for natural disasters, subjected to public executions, and targeted during the reigns of several emperors, most notably Nero and Diocletian. Christians were often forced to practice their faith in secret to avoid these harsh penalties.
The turning point came in the early 4th century when Constantine the Great became emperor. In 313 CE, Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, which granted religious tolerance to all religions, including Christianity. Over time, Christianity not only became accepted but also began to receive imperial patronage. By the end of the 4th century, under Emperor Theodosius I, Christianity became the official state religion of the Roman Empire.
Once in a position of power, Christians began to persecute those who did not conform to their religious views. Pagan practices and temples were suppressed, and non-Christian religions were marginalized. Heretical Christian sects were also targeted. For example, the destruction of the Serapeum of Alexandria in 391 CE and the persecution of pagans and Jews are indicative of this shift from being persecuted to becoming persecutors.
Now, piss off and I’m blocking you for wasting everyone’s time and arguing in bad faith. I have better shit to do than teach you history that you should have learned in 9th grade.
Yelling into the void since you blocked me, but saying “here is a list of historical events” is not a source, and expecting someone to read the whole thing to pick out an example of the thing YOU claim to have happened is not arguing in good faith.
Christians are an example, for sure. The only thing I would say is the difference is that in that case Christianity is about a religious belief and not an intrinsic property of the people. If it had been raised as an example earlier, we could have actually had a discussion about that difference instead of someone saying “just look at history, it will definitely happen in this case.”
I’m asking for specifics here. You made a claim, back it up with 1 single, tangible source, not some generic “all of history” bullshit
You want me to dissect the history of Israel, Korea, Morocco, Germany, the Byzantine Empire, Russia, India, Egypt, Rome… seriously? Not the time and place.
I want you to give one example of the thing you claimed will happen actually happening. Name a time an oppressed class got rights, then oppressed the people that oppressed them.
He met your burden of proof and then some. You asked him to cite sources and he did. You requiring a specific situation is partly you moving the goalposts, and partly you simply being lazy. You are not arguing in good faith and until you start, there is no reason to interact with you.
Saying all of history is not it and the fact that he can’t narrow it down is telling.
Don’t get it twisted. You’re the one that is flying in the face of overwhelming data, not the other way around.
It’s not his fault that you refuse to read anything at all about history. But to help you out I will give you a very notable one.
One notable instance of a persecuted minority group gaining rights and eventually persecuting their former persecutors is the history of Christians in the Roman Empire.
During the early centuries of the Common Era, Christians were a minority group within the Roman Empire and faced periods of intense persecution. This persecution included being blamed for natural disasters, subjected to public executions, and targeted during the reigns of several emperors, most notably Nero and Diocletian. Christians were often forced to practice their faith in secret to avoid these harsh penalties.
The turning point came in the early 4th century when Constantine the Great became emperor. In 313 CE, Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, which granted religious tolerance to all religions, including Christianity. Over time, Christianity not only became accepted but also began to receive imperial patronage. By the end of the 4th century, under Emperor Theodosius I, Christianity became the official state religion of the Roman Empire.
Once in a position of power, Christians began to persecute those who did not conform to their religious views. Pagan practices and temples were suppressed, and non-Christian religions were marginalized. Heretical Christian sects were also targeted. For example, the destruction of the Serapeum of Alexandria in 391 CE and the persecution of pagans and Jews are indicative of this shift from being persecuted to becoming persecutors.
Now, piss off and I’m blocking you for wasting everyone’s time and arguing in bad faith. I have better shit to do than teach you history that you should have learned in 9th grade.
Yelling into the void since you blocked me, but saying “here is a list of historical events” is not a source, and expecting someone to read the whole thing to pick out an example of the thing YOU claim to have happened is not arguing in good faith.
Christians are an example, for sure. The only thing I would say is the difference is that in that case Christianity is about a religious belief and not an intrinsic property of the people. If it had been raised as an example earlier, we could have actually had a discussion about that difference instead of someone saying “just look at history, it will definitely happen in this case.”