• Bigfoot@lemm.eeOP
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    5 months ago

    That is a very machivellian attitude. I don’t believe that hurting people who aren’t a threat in the name of “progress” is justified, even if it were somehow a shortcut to utopia, which it’s not.

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      5 months ago

      All of human political activity boils down to violence. If pacifism were a legitimate strategy then we wouldn’t be in our current situation.

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        I didn’t say anything about pacifism, but I also disagree with your proposition equating violence and politics. Violence is a breakdown of politics. Politics, almost definitionally, is how a people settle disputes without violence.

        Politics is how how decisions are made in groups. If one person or group is forcing their will upon others, then no decision or compromise between the parties can be said to have been made freely. And therefore it cannot be truthfully described as following a political process.

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          Pacifism is an ideology centered on political change through nonviolence. Maybe you didn’t explicitly say it, but you might as well have. Can you provide a source on violence being a result of political breakdown and not intrinsic to politics itself? How do current regimes uphold their power?

          Politics is, more or less, how decisions are made in groups. Making a decision doesn’t preclude violence. Wars are political and their entire point is violence. Colonialism was foundational to the politics of the last 3+ centuries and it was incredibly violent. Besides vibes, what evidence do you have to support the claim that politics aren’t violent?

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            5 months ago

            It is, but diplomacy refers to disputes between peoples. Politics refers to disputes within a people.

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      5 months ago

      I believe that people should defend their right to exist. Do you feel otherwise?

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          It’s only Gish galloping if you edit your original message so they appear disconnected. You’d said all hurting was wrong, and my question was a direct followup to that.