• Varyk@sh.itjust.works
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    5 months ago

    Do you really think all cops are bastards or is it like a easy thing to type instead of “corrupt cops are bad” or something?

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      5 months ago

      All. Because the ones who aren’t corrupt fucks either look the other way, or try to report the bad ones and get bullied off the force.

          • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
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            5 months ago

            Oh.

            I see

            If you think you can only come up with ax partial answer, it’s usually an indication you don’t understand the concept as well as you think and a good idea to just skip trying to come up with an answer.

            Your talk if you want to! I’m just saying it might confuse the situation unless you have a complete answer.

            I thought you did that deliberately so I was wondering why you were explaining what a slice was when I asked about making a pizza.

            • A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world
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              5 months ago

              I’m not the same guy, it’s just obvious to everyone else here what he was saying since we don’t need our hands held through every implication.

              If bad cops can just get rid of others who call out bad behavior, what is left but the corrupt and the complicit? Hence, complacency is bad too so ACAB.

              First it was “tangent”, then it was, “ax partial answer”, so now what is your excuse?

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                5 months ago

                Making assumptions and looking for excuses is the reason you Don’t understand.

                “If bad cops can just get rid of others who call out bad behavior, what is left but the corrupt and the complicit…”

                If that were true, you would have a case.

                Since that is not true, you don’t.

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                  5 months ago

                  Since that is not true, you don’t.

                  Except in America it seems that’s the exact case. Maybe not in other countries.

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                    5 months ago

                    It seems like that’s the case to you because you’re surrounding yourself with an echo chamber instead of rationally thinking about the situation.

                    It makes no sense in any capacity to assume that any group of humans are all identical or behave identically.

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      5 months ago

      These people have such an oversimplified view of the world that there’s no reasoning with them. They can’t comprehend that people would join law enforcement for any other reason than denying people civil rights.

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        5 months ago

        There’s nothing wrong with wanting to be a police officer out of truly caring about and wanting to improve your community. Sadly what happens is those good meaning people are the minority and there are countless cases of them being harassed and outed, sometimes even assassinated, by the bad cops who are the majority.

        When you have an entire occupation, in every state, doing shady shit, killing bystanders, killing innocents, even killing the people they were sent to help, it is a huge problem that can not be ignored. They act without consequences and it needs to stop.

        Good cops are awesome. I love good cops. I wish them the best and hope they make it home safe.

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          If you want to truly care and help people, be a firefighter. Be a medic. Get into the mental health industry. Feed people. Teach. Build. There are near infinite ways to help people, that don’t involve walking around the city dressed, literally, to kill.

          Violent crimes consistently trend down. We actually don’t have too many people randomly killing others. When we do, it’s a big fucking event, that could have probably been avoided entirely with some more of those mental health people I mentioned before. BEST case, a cop does something after blood has been spilled.

          At best a cop thinks they want to help people, and thinks the best way to do that is with violence.

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        5 months ago

        Bizarre.

        The fact that anyone can say “all” this is that speaks to such a misunderstanding of their reality.

        It’s like choosing to refuse certain lengths of the spectrum. How many years are they going to force themselves to live colorblind?

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            5 months ago

            anyone that can say “all” this is that about a non- identical group of anything “all” of them obviously cannot be the same.

            “All dogs are dangerous”

            “All houses are safe”

            “All birds are real”

            Using “all blah are bloo” to describe a complex group of anything and their necessarily complex associations between and outside of each other belies such a fundamental misunderstanding and incomprehension of the world you live in and the topic you’re talking about.

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              5 months ago

              An important thing to remember with something like ACAB is, even if it’s not literally ALL cops are bastards, it loses its bite if it’s anything else. When we say ALL cops are bastards, we serve to remind the people who already at least partially buy into this belief that it doesn’t really matter about the individual. It’s about the institution. Anyone party to that institution is part of the problem, even if they’re a generally decent person who, in a particular situation, did something commendable.

              As far as getting the people who don’t already buy in to buy in? Well,that’s what these kinds of discussions are for. No motto easy to turn into a soundbyte is going to change too many minds, they’re more rallying calls.

              Further, unlike the other examples, “cop” isn’t a fundamental aspect of their existence. Any cop, right now, can stop being a cop. I have no problem throwing shade at something someone can change. Dogs can’t not be dogs. Birds can’t not be birds. Houses… well, they could be something else with a lot of effort, but it’s fundamentally different.

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                5 months ago

                Interesting that at the exact point your examples break down, the contradicting evidence to your point becomes fundamentally “different” and you just dismiss it.

                Besides, don’t you know the animorphs? Birds can change into humans, andalites, tons of stuff.

                Back to your point: a slogan does not gain validity or credibility by being false; it loses its validity and credibility by being fundamentally false.

                You see that slogan as particularly important because you’ve used it before and because it’s popular.

                That does not make it a good or correct slogan.

                It just makes the person saying it look like they’re spouting gibberish since there are so many simple examples that prove it incorrect, many of those examples displayed in these threads given by the people myopically chanting that acab is valid.

                I agree these discussions are important, but what hope do you have of influencing other perspective when your argument is, at its foundation, flawed and clearly incorrect.

                Black Lives Matter? Undeniable.

                Of course they matter.

                All Cops Are Bastards?

                Objectively false schoolyard taunt.

                That backfiring banner is working against your point and against your credibility.