Being on Twitter must be exhausting
Id rather slam my penis in the door of a luxury sedan than ever go back on twitter.
Tits! We can make that happen for you!
LOOK AT MY LITTLE TEETH
it very much is
@pizzaiolo @epicspongee I used to use Twitter all the time before it got to a point where I couldn’t stand it anymore, and I felt like a weight had been lifted off of me after I deleted the app.
There’s a reason she’s got drug problems and Twitter is part of that reason
People are still using that dumpster of a platform?
People who have a large following and magic emojis next to their name will keep using it because it gives them their validation. Twitter celebs are really in a sad state of existence
Elon Musk is an actual Nazi and anyone who still uses twitter is sus imo
I got so confused reading this, my brainy hurt :(
it’s such an unfunny joke I had to read it three times to even understand what she was trying to say
Some people are unfamiliar with Obama’s drones.
or the genocide in Yemen, or his role as the deporter in chief, or that he engineered the largest transfer of wealth from the Black community to capital interests, or, or, or
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Don’t forget Boko Haram got their start of Libya’s destruction too.
Tell me more about the wealth transfer.
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Absolutely wild that things escalated from a “reset” of relations with russia to the maidan coup in like 4 years, I honestly wish I knew more of what was going on there.
Some people are. This particular people has absolutely no excuse for such ignorance lol
Crazy, isn’t it?
During his presidency, Obama approved the use of 563 drone strikes that killed approximately 3,797 people. In fact, Obama authorized 54 drone strikes alone in Pakistan during his first year in office. One of the first CIA drone strikes under President Obama was at a funeral, murdering as many as 41 Pakistani civilians. The following year, Obama led 128 CIA drone strikes in Pakistan that killed at least 89 civilians.
I didn’t post it because her joke was funny lol
I figured, it just had me
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😤
It’s pointing out hypocrisy. But people have forgotten that or are just ignorant? I can’t see how you’d come to that conclusion unless you were very “both sides”.
I’m a level seven enlightened centrist. I wait in line at polling stations just so I can fill out a blank ballot.
Remember when Obama saw the largest transfer of wealth away from black US citizens to the wealthy in the history of the United States?
Remember when he set the precedent that it us cool to assassinate US citizens in the open (as opposed to covertly) without trial?
Honestly I get being mad at “Obama’s biggest controversy was the mustard”
Obama’s biggest controversy was the mustard
That’s not what she said lol. Sorry as a neurodivergent person I get that this tweet might be hard to read possibly, but she’s being sarcastic here. Maybe in poor taste, but it’s a joke. She’s well-aware of the shit Obama’s done and isn’t a fan of him.
She says that Obama was bad. Everyone understands she was being sarcastic. Since she was being sarcastic it means that she is trying to say that Obama wasn’t bad (because that’s how sarcasm works).
Since she was being sarcastic it means that she is trying to say that Obama wasn’t bad (because that’s how sarcasm works).
I mean… no? Sarcasm works in multiple ways lol. This is like a children’s picture book-level of understanding of sarcasm.
ok, this has gone over my head. can you explain what she meant? her “joke” reads like a retreading of stale
memes from /r/politics.Every US president is a War Criminal.
However, most sane people would agree that Obama was, as far as U.S. presidents go, very uncontroversial. Well spoken, very few scandals, centrist policies, didn’t make a fool of himself every time he met a head of state, etc.
So the conservatives latched onto the WEIRDEST shit. Made him up as a Kenyan citizen (???), actually made a big deal about his choices of condiments or suit colors, etc. These were all real things that made the mainstream news cycles, because Obama wasn’t livetweeting his every thought or being indicted every day, but US conservatives had to complain about something.
This is to be contrasted to the mainstream Republican figureheads, who are unbelievably crass&corrupt traitors yet receive nothing but praise from the same media/pundits that thrashed Obama for his choice of mustard.
Absurdist contrast like this is, indeed, comedic. I rest my case.
(Also Natalie has talked in-depth about how shitty this faux-leftist “the democrat candidate is actually center-right and imperfect, therefore I shall not vote for them even if it gives the win to the literal rapist who will absolutely jail me for my political beliefs, gender expression, or sexual orientation if given the chance” in her videos, most notably the 2020 campaign video, but of course none of that fits in 240 characters, also comedy doesn’t tend to work when overexplained, thank you for coming to my TED talk)
Uncontroversial because the democrats suddenly stopped caring about drone strikes, illegitimate wars, the Patriot act, and gitmo once he was electedm
This is absolutely just a regurgitation of people saying Obama’s biggest scandals was the pants he wore. The joke doesn’t have a punchline otherwise, barring missing context that you should have led with if there was a misunderstanding.
Isn’t the punch line holding that belief? As in she was being sarcastic in saying that the sauce was the worst thing he did. It is an absolutely absurd belief to hold and thus humorous
I mean… sure? But that comment written by that particular person I can not see how it can be interpreted as a criticism against Obama. Unless it’s a kind of 4chan humor, which is shameful to understand anyway.
Never argue with someone from Hexbear. They’re all at least comfortable with being in a community overrun by tankie trolls.
But OP never made any argument, so they are fine. :comfy-cool: :tank: :troll:
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I see it as mocking conservative news networks that acted like it was a controversy. Which you absolutely can do and still believe Obama was a bad president or whatever.
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Are you just looking to dunk without actually absorbing what was actually said? If so, go back to reddit.
If you’ve actually misunderstood me, I never claimed Obama caused the recession. His policies after just massively looted the proletariat to benefit the bourgeoisie, and in particular looted black proletariat.
Obama didn’t start that, that was Clinton in
Which one are you referring to?
I have an issue when the same people who were cheering during the Bush years, gave grudging acceptance at drone strikes during Obama, and were silent during the Trump years, pipe up and say drone strikes are bad now.
Progressives have been saying this the whole time.Also, a reminder that Obama tried to write regs limiting the use of drone strikes at the end of his presidency. Trump promptly threw them out on entering.
As always, when a Republican does something, it’s good and just. When a Democrat does literally the same thing, they’re the devil incarnate.
Loyalty over principle.
Drone strikes are the holy grail of the military-industrial complex. They are cheap to run meaning that the air force doesn’t have to give them a huge budget yet consume precision bombs and missiles at a steady rate meaning that the weapon industry get a secure revenue stream. And they can be scaled up almost infinitely since there is no bad news coverage of wounded veterans or crying widows on us television.
Also, a reminder that Obama tried to write regs limiting the use of drone strikes at the end of his presidency
That doesn’t sound good.
I mean. It definitely carries the implication that Obama has done very little wrong whether or not you intended it that way. Natalie’s inability to own up to mistakes is either a serious character flaw or she thinks that the murderous actions he took were justified.
Or she is just pandering to her liberal audience
Since she basically stopped making content, I’m a little surprised she still has an audience. Like so many otherwise curiously influential and interesting people, she’s doomed herself to drowning in the social media space when everyone would be better off (her most of all) if she just logged the fuck off.
She does streaming, I think.
I agree they all should log off instead.
I think, still, it’s a reflection of what the conservative media at the time was making a big deal about. It wasn’t the drone strikes or war crimes, it was the tan suit that was run on Fox for several weeks.
It’s like they never gave a shit about civilian deaths. Ever.
sure, but I’m not convinced the people making the jokes care any more about civilian deaths, either.
Natalie’s inability to own up to mistakes is either a serious character flaw or
I don’t think that that is a flaw she has is in question at this point tbh
Studied Philosophy as a PhD. That’s one of the biggest flaws a human could have.
It’s not really hard is it? “Yeah people are right about this.” and then growing from it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that from her, not a single time. Everyone is always wrong except her, it is always the internet’s fault, and she is perfect and right about everything.
I have much more respect for people like Noah Samsen who has made mistakes with epic debatebros and just owned up to it like “Yep engaging with them was a mistake I shouldn’t have done it and won’t be in future”. Just fucking learn from things ffs. Grow.
Such an annoying reckless behavior to publicly Call Out a community you’re supposedly part of like this. Every time someone does this, I get a clear mental image of a dog licking its own ass. Just shut up, having random slapfights and compulsive arguing are childish zoomer traits
Time for her to make another 4 hour video about how she was 1984’d into deleting a tweet.
That would require her making a video
that joke is so overused i don’t even think the libs over at r/politics finds it funny anymore
I used to think it was funny just because it WAS absurd that Hannity (it was Hannity right?) made a big deal out of Obama ordering “fancy mustard” and therefor being unAmerican. I thought it was a good commentary on conservative media’s weird tics. But once I noticed that libs were using it (and tan suit jokes) just as much to absolve Obama of having “real controversies” and not just making fun of Fox News, it lost its edge for me.
ETA: Also its really corny of Contra to engage in such an overused joke, beyond how lib she’s being its also just really gauche.
She’s actively regressing into a chud.
Wealth and connections often bring out the worst parts of people.
Tan suit Dijon mustard
was amusing until I realized how much of politics is theater. It was just too blatant this time, but so much of American news is only slightly more serious than Dijon mustard.It may be gauche, but it is certainly not de gauche
Libs on /r/politics only make jokes about the Ork-shaped Slavic Brainpan and how many indictments Trump is currently under.
Its great that the Obama post got her dunked on by Ethereal Bisexual
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Uhhh let me date here
twitter is really good at making words and phrases meaningless through extreme hyperbole rule
Can I ask whats being made meaningless here? I hope you don’t mean “war criminal”. Because drone bombing a wedding is definitely a war crime.
Maybe you mean Contra’s joke though idk lol
Oh you are saying we shouldn’t communicate and instead rely on aesthetics to signal each other? Thats literally fascism but you do you.
Is contra going lib again?
She’s always been lib, sadly. I still love her content tho! But her political takes are def a little ehh
Yeah, I like have a soft spot for her because she helped show me that there was actually a left beyond voting for labour every now and again, and like she was the only trans rep young me really had, but like her politics are cringe af -
is way cooler imocontra’s godawful takes on NB people / gender in general + her tendency to triple down when criticized really soured me on her content. it took all the fun out of the theater for me.
Yeah, I think I could stand her if she would just admit that she was wrong for once, about any of it
what did she say about nonbinary people? :(
Nothing to my knowledge, she has a few videos defending nonbinary identities and rejecting people insisting it’s one or the other. I have no idea where the takes in this comment section are even coming from
PT makes good videos, but she is closer to contra than can be coincidental. I mean, what are the odds of two trans women making leftist (at least at one point) political video essays in an overly theatrical style with old english letters as pen names.
Yeah they’re friends and they used to help each other with the video production, I’m just saying that Abbie has wayyyy better politics than contra does (and her videos are better to - also she’s a fellow trans person enduring the hellscape that is TERF island with me so that endears me to her)
They used to be freinds. They had some sort of falling out though. Although her politics are better than contra’s
In other words - PT is Contrapoints, but it’s good instead of whiny liberal asslicking.
This is just pitting trans people against each other for no reason. PT were less theatrical before they came out, but acting like a theater kid in your video editing choices isn’t exclusive to any one YouTuber.
I was just comparing them since they’re decently close friends, they’re in the same niche and go for basically the same audience, and do things in the same style, it seemed like a pretty natural comparison to me
I understand, your comparison was fine. The person responding to you makes it sound like PT is ripping off Contrapoints though. Comparing their ideas, their production value and choices is fine, they do exist in a similar space, but there’s nothing wrong with PT existing in a similar space. Straight white men are allowed to coexist with identical videos on YouTube. But someone in a marginalized group? Their channels are constantly pitted against each other.
Vaush/Xanderhal, Asmongold/Penguinz0 are all allowed to be successful even though they pretty much make the same videos and stream clips on the same topics. But for some reason creators from marginalized groups can’t have similar tastes and ideas.
I’m pretty sure the person you were responding to is also trans like me and presumably you
Could you please correct the misgendering in your post? PT uses she/her pronouns exclusively.
I think it’s a joke - it’s an absurd comparison so I don’t think it’s meant to be taken seriously
If I had a nickel for every time it happened I’ve have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
Facts
Can you elaborate? Love her content, wonder if I’m missing anything about her I’m not aware of.
Some internet leftists are anti-jokes and our greatest insult is to call someone a liberal.
our greatest insult is to call someone a liberal
What do you mean by this?
In the US, we use liberal to describe a person who is left of center on the political spectrum, who is not a socialist. And we use conservative or neo-liberal to describe someone right of center.
Is the goal to make fun of people left of center or to make fun of people right of center? I honestly cannot tell from the above conversation. This may simply be regional based confusion on my part.
so, liberalism is decidedly right of centre. it requires buying into capitalism, but it’s not as far gone as the GOP. The US dems are left of the GOP, but right on a more absolute political meter.
Bernie is leftist, but Biden & co are properly right of centre. Your Overton window has shifted so far to the right that a leftist politician will have a harder path than a snowball in hell.
I say this as someone that has a neolib prime minister (Trudeau).
Suffice to say, liberals and conservatives have the same goals, liberals just prefer a sustainable labour class.
Based on this, I think this is a regional issue. In the US, liberal means left of center.
Here is an example of regional differences.
I would say Bernie is democratic socialist. I would call myself a social democrat, so slightly to the right of Bernie, but slightly to the left of a liberal. I would also say liberals are to the left of moderates who are to the left of conservatives/neo-liberals who are to the left of fascists.
The US Overton window is way to far to the right though.
Liberals can claim the word means whatever they want it to to make themselves feel better, but as long as they are pro-capitalism, liberals today are not on the left, since leftism is anti-capitalist by definition.
And not only are they not on the left, they actively enable and bolster the right:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/
https://blacklikemao.medium.com/how-liberalism-helps-fascism-d4dbdcb199d9
That’s fine, just understand that you’re using a US-centric framework that differs from what socialists mean when they say “libs”. From our perspective, if you’re pro-western-capitalism (and thus pro-neoliberalism) you’re a lib. Democrats, Republicans, doesn’t matter.
I can’t claim to be an expert, and this is strictly in a USA context, but I’d explain it this way: “Liberal” is used to insult someone for having and promoting bad, insufficiently leftward political principles, instead of good ones. The good ones depend on what principles the person doing the insulting holds. The right side of the political spectrum also uses Liberal as an insult, so it can be confusing.
Elements of the far left consider Liberals hardly better than (and in practice indistinguishable from) political centrists, conservatives, or fascists, due to the perception that Liberals support policies that won’t disrupt systems that perpetuate injustice, and will carry water for other liberals even when they commit acts they would denounce their political opponents for doing.
The right uses Liberal as a catch-all term for leftists generally (whom they despise), but it has diminished a bit, being supplanted by “woke” “groomers” “antifa” and “BLM.”
Yeah, I’ve started seeing the far left use liberal to describe anyone to the right of them. And weirdly, people on the far left decry wokeness the same way a conservative would. It has been weird. =/
Fuck off Judean People’s Front! We’re the People’s Front of Judea!
In the US we use liberal to refer to people left of the American center which is already skewed right. Liberals are center right.
I would say that American politicians are skewed to the right, but the American people themselves are not.
Progressive ideas are popular with Americans.
I would use neo-liberal to describe many American politicians, including a majority of Democrats, as they tend to have views right of center. But I would use liberal to describe many of the people voting Democrat as their views reflect positions that are at least center left.
Center to center right. Liberals tend to see themselves as left of center though and the word has very little meaning overall. I was mostly just making a joke though.
Yeah, basically she has in the past talked about how she admires leftists and I don’t think she isn’t one, but that she thinks leftist ideas come from envy of people who are more fortunate, and that leftist ideas are bad cuz they’re ant-consumer. Admittedly tho its been a long time since I remember her talking about politics and my memory isnt the best but those are things I think I remember… Try the ‘envy’ video
She went fully lib like two or three years ago and has not had even a trace of being a socialist since.
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last I heard, he relapsed into Marianne Williamson electoralism. get well soon, Chairman Daou
High off the fumes of patreon dosh she had a podcast episode with
Always has been
Going? I think the least lib she ever got was making two videos about capitalism being bad and then concluding it with this statement:
You know maybe we should do something in the meantime. Uhh so I dunno, I guess vote Labour, tweet radically, try to eat more vegetables, uhh… Try not to be manipulated into waging war against other downtrodden people, and can we please not hand more power to the absolute worst dingbats our society has on offer.
can someone please explain why the word rule appears in titles so often
its a
thing from /r/196
/r/196’s thing is its a “rule” that you have to post something whenever you visit the sub. And most people post “rule” when they do so.
This comm is just reusing the tic.
Ok, so it looks like stormfront is a website that promotes white pride. It sounds like there might have been a subreddit at some point based on that stormfront image.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stormfront
And /r/196 is a leftist meme posting subreddit that is trans friendly.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=r%2F196
I’m using non-reddit links because I don’t want to direct traffic to reddit.
Can you help me find a source that shows, stormfront, a white pride website, influenced the 196 rule please? This seems like an important point to learn more about. I’ve been googling, but I haven’t found any connection yet.
Its a hexbear joke to call reddit stormfront
It’s a long running hexbear joke to compare Reddit to stormfront given how racist and white it was
That’s why the emoji booty used is called :reddit-logo :
I see, thanks.
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Who was the person who killed salve owners? I honestly do not know the history of the original sub.
Redditor trying to decipher the bit:
I think you should be more judicious about who you’re dunking on tbh. This person seems well intentioned enough.
ETA: I take this back.
This person seems well intentioned enough.
[edit]: I take this back.
Lol
when the precog hits
What does your ETA acronym mean? I usually read “ETA” to mean “estimated time (to) arrival”…
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196 was creepy and chaser-y about trans folks?
Also the
emoji is just making fun of how openly or (poorly) covertly white supremacist reddit is in general.196 kind of was chasery at first but got less chasery as time passed
Ah, gotcha
196 was creepy and chaser-y about trans folks?
Not from what I’ve heard. edit:spacing
The vaush meme subreddit creeped me out.
What was that subreddit about? =/
196 had extreme crossover with the vaush sub, I think mods too? Either way I got banned for shittalking NATO there over 3 years ago and haven’t bothered to check in since.
“Trans friendly” is a weird way to say creepy chasers, the amount of overt sexualisation and objectification of trans people from non-trans people there is horrendous.
You’re reading too hard into the reddit=stormfront thing. It’s just a common leftist refrain off-reddit because 90% of the site is pro-nato white supremacy and nationalism even if a handful of communities might be slightly less bad.
most of the posts there make my skin crawl. im basically a boomer at this point in the trans community (10+ years transitioned), younger trans people really need to learn what fake allies look like. just because theyre nice/sexualize you doesnt mean they actually support you. i know when the world hates your guts the bar is low, but you need to make that bar high for your own good.
r/196 kinda gives me Vaush vibes in that way (and also in the radlibbiness ofc)
It’s a joke to dunk on Reddit, it’s become part of our parlance so we tend to drop it pretty casually. I can see how it comes across as accusatory here, but I think the user probably didn’t mean anything by it.
That seems to be the case. Other people are indicating it was joke and not even one directed at on 196. It’s certainly new to me anyway.
its because there used to be a stormfront subreddit on reddit for like 10 years or something before it got banned, and that was their logo.
And /r/196 is a leftist meme posting subreddit that is trans friendly.
Back when i still visited reddit, i got bullied pretty hard by them for pointing out that it’s latently transphobic, assimilationist and toxic to shit on the way r/traaaaaaaa was inclusive of trans catgirl culture. They had an entire thread on how the memes on r/traaaaaaa were cringe and unfunny and it was full of latent bigottry like that. Made them sound like a bunch of chuds and truscums. r/196 also has a not insubstantial amount of chasers. Fetishizing us and talking about your favorite trans porn while dismissing the opinions of trans women as cringe isn’t trans friendly, it is objectifying and shitty and r/196 can go fuck itself.
I only know about r/196 what I’ve read about it from other sources. You’ll be happy to know we don’t do that here. This is a trans friendly space.
heavy-handed moderation to keep it that way is a good idea. if someone engages in soft transphobia/chaser shit, warn and ban – don’t leave room for debates about how much trans positivity is too much.
I hope i can take your word for that, it’s generally what i’d expect of a place called
zone, too. I’m just voicing my own experiences with the reddit sub.
I think stormfront the user, Stormfront the right wing website, and Stormfront the Apple store are all 3 seperate entities.
I think you got them mixed up. I hope you mixed them up and they aren’t somehow connected anyway.
I honestly know very little about Stormfront, beyond what I’ve googled. I don’t support white pride groups. I have seen people referencing it on Lemmy though.
it’s a joke about reddit’s tendency towards racism and other bigotry, not the literal stormfront website.
I won’t contest that racism and bigotry existed on reddit. It definitely did. I also experienced and saw kindness and acceptance. Saying Reddit in its entirety is racist is really no different that saying everyone is racist. And not everyone and not everyone on reddit is racist.
it’s about the platform and the majority membership, not a judgment of every community that exists there. there are quite obviously cool corners on reddit, but the platform as a whole defends bigotry as free speech, at an admin level.
Reddit (the platform) banned us for celebrating a guy who killed slaveowners, that’s why we call them
.yeah its a joke making fun of a large portion of reddit
you’re giving real “all lives matter” vibes with this response
I won’t contest that racism and bigotry existed on reddit. It definitely did. I also experienced and saw kindness and acceptance. Saying Reddit in its entirety is racist is really no different that saying everyone is racist. And not everyone and not everyone on reddit is racist.
reddit is full to the brim liberals and liberals are at best fascist enablers, at worst - especially when foreign politics are involved - they are fash-lite, consciously or otherwise
hence the stormfront joke
It’s a redditor habit.
What an absolute dumpsterfire of a comment section
