More than a dozen former Ronald Reagan staff members have joined dozens of other Republican figures endorsing the Democratic nominee and vice-president, Kamala Harris, saying their support was “less about supporting the Democratic party and more about our resounding support for democracy”.

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    2 months ago

    I do.

    I know people who voted for Trump because they’ve always voted Republican. Republican is their team, so they voted Republican. They assume Trump, as a Republican, will continue with standard Republican policies (which is generally true). They don’t like him as a person but just don’t pay too much attention to it.

    If you mostly ignore Trump and just think of him as a generic Republican it makes sense. I was planning on voting for Biden before he dropped out because Democratic policy is generally what I’m voting for. Biden dropping out and Harris stepping in doesn’t really change my voting plan. I’m still voting Democrat, I’m still voting Harris. Is Harris my favorite choice? No. Is the Democratic platform my perfect platform? No. But is it the best choice given the options? Absolutely. (And I don’t say that as horribly negative thing, there are A LOT of positives from Harris/Democrats and I’m glad/excited to vote for her.)

    BUT we know Trump isn’t a generic Republican and people can’t ignore EVERYTHING he’s done. Jan 6 being a big one. If you’re a Republican voter now you’re stuck. You can’t vote for Trump. But you want to vote Republican.

    You’re a generic Republican voter. You see Bush admins, Regan admins, Cheney all say they’re voting for Harris. You voted for them previously. That gives you the opening to vote for Harris. That helps.

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      You’re contradicting yourself.

      You’re voting for Harris because you’ll vote for the Democratic candidate no matter what.

      Republicans are going to vote for Trump because he’s on the Republican ticket, because they vote for the Republican no matter what.

      But consider that there are independents who suspect there’s no difference between the two parties, and so they’re thinking about staying home or voting third party. Moves like this only convince them that there’s no reason to vote for Harris because all politicians are the same.

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        It’s not a contradiction, it’s a focus on Republicans.

        I’m saying that endorsements like these convince Republican voters to vote for Harris.

        For those who think there is no difference between the parties it may be less helpful. However if you’re truly standing in the middle, watching one side cross over to the other and only ever one side crossing over to the other, that should give you an idea of at least which way to start looking.

        Of course I understand the cynic who just says everyone is just flip flopping around. For those folks endorsements aren’t the argument to make. Republicans voting for Democrats means they must be the same. In these cases it’s better to focus on policy or the individual. If I were an undecided voters who endorsed who wouldn’t sway me. Show me the policies, that’s what I’m looking for.

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          I’m saying that endorsements like these convince Republican voters to vote for Harris.

          I don’t think they do. Think about yourself - could any endorsement convince you to vote for Trump? Because that’s the situation Republicans are in. They’re as committed to their nominde as you are to yours.

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            I’m telling you, with first hand experience, that they do.

            And again, no, an endorsement alone isn’t ever going to convince me. There are multiple things that can convince people.

            Some people are going to stick with what they’ve always stuck with.

            Some people are going to focus on personality, “Have a beer with” .

            Some are going to look at policy.

            And of course no one is simple, so it’s usually a combination of the above.

            But those Republicans who have always voted Republican, who finally see Trump for what he is, are looking for an alternative. They’re not risk takers. They aren’t just going to vote Harris if they’ve decided they can’t vote Trump. If however they see others from their crowd do it, they are likely to follow along.

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                2 months ago

                Who thinks this helps?

                I think this helps. We’re talking opinion here. But to add data,

                “I don’t know if we convince somebody to go Trump-to-Harris,” Duncan said. “I think we go from convincing somebody just sitting at home, not voting for anybody, to voting for Kamala Harris.”

                That’s who I’m talking about. Those disillusioned with Trump. “I can’t vote Trump. I won’t vote for Biden or Harris.” But with enough time and endorsements, maybe they will.

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                  2 months ago

                  But this can also convince weak Harris supporters to not vote for her. I’m not convinced this helps more than it hurts.

                  It is funny to think about people sitting at home being convinced to show up to vote because of a bunch if hasbeen mummies.

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                    I mean endorsements are weird.

                    Who was sitting at home not voting and saw the Taylor Swift endorsement and thought, yeah, now I’m voting for Harris.

                    Or who was not voting and saw the Swift endorsement and thought, yeah, I should vote.

                    But I also don’t see someone leaning voting for Harris, seeing someone else vote for Harris and then decide, no, now I won’t. Someone only swayed by endorsements are probably low information voters. They’re not going to see someone voting for Harris as a negative thing for Harris.