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2010: We want bigger batteries, they give us colorful phones
2015 We want bigger batteries, they give us 1mm thinner phones
2020 We want bigger batteries, they give us 5 cameras
2025 We want bigger batteries, they give us AI
Phones are a great example of the utter failure of capitalism to address what people actually need and want.
They also keep taking away features, like removable storage (microSD) and headphone jacks. There’s a few phones that have them, but it gets more difficult to find them as time goes on.
Create a problem, sell a solution. It’s so annoying.
headphone jack -> sell bluetooth headphones
microSD -> sell cloud storageLate stage capitalism
Create a problem, sell a solution
Under the guise of “innovation”
Sony Xperia flagship has both. I think it’s the only Snapdragon 8g3 phone that does.
@Zerthax They’ll say they are responding to consumers who “want cloud storage and wireless headphones,” but options are always better, in my opinion.
@Zerthax @AbsoluteChicagoDog some people just refuse to live in the now and would prefer to stay in 2014. What a shame.🤦🏻♂️
*folds phone in half*
That’s two batteries for the price of one.
More like two batteries for the price of two phones; foldables are still expensive AF
Two half-size batteries for the price of three full-size phones coming right up
I would like colourful phones back though, they were so much more fun compared to the sea of black/white/grey + ONE option in the blue-purple spectrum we have today.
Can we get that AND bigger batteries?..bigger colourful batteries even?
And cameras! Don’t replace 12mp 2x telephotos with 48mp 1x digital zoom cameras pls
Steve Jobs proved that consumers don’t actually know what they want until you tell them. And it’s the manufacturers job to tell them what they want and deliver it.
Since Apple doesn’t want a bigger battery that means no one gets a bigger battery.
jobs was an ass. and smelled like it
Nah man, everyone around him must have been smelling something else. He was on the all fruit diet.
fruit. that explains it
@AbsoluteChicagoDog @Alphane_Moon nobody has been asking for bigger batteries, people already cry about the weight as is. Apple switched to using a titanium frame just to drop a few grams of weight because people were crying about the weight. So, no, people haven’t been asking for bigger batteries, they have been asking for devices that last the day and then some, which we currently have. You also have the ability to recharge your battery to full in about a half 1 🧵
Smartphone buyers care more about that thing that they’ve been begging for, for years? You don’t say… And mobile phone manufacturers are again and still going to ignore what people actually want in favor of expensive and non functional vaporware, like they always do?
You don’t say!
yeah but you can’t set inflate your stock value based on hype about battery life.
people forget that these features aren’t for users. it’s for idiots who invest in ridiculous shit hoping it to be the next big thing.
Can we please stop calling LLMs artificial intelligence?
No. Strictly and technically speaking, LLMs absolutely fall under the category of AI. You’re thinking of AGI, which is a subset of AI, and which LLMs will be a necessary but insufficient component of.
I’m an AI Engineer; I’ve taken to, in my circles, calling AI “Algorithmic Intelligence” rather than “Artificial Intelligence.” It’s far more fitting term for what is happening. But until the Yanns and Ngs and Hintons of the field start calling it that, we’re stuck with it.
Where intelligence in spitting out samples from big data vaguely related to prompt?
I like your definition. Algorithmic intelligence fits much better. And thanks for giving me a rabbit hole (AGI) to dive into.
Let’s just settle on SI, Schrödiger intelligence.
Approximate Intelligence fits just as well me thinks
I know more humans that fit that description than language models.
I see that
If you don’t think this counts as AI, can you give us an example of some function or behavior that you would consider AI?
Reasoning, sentience, and the ability, over time, to improve. There’s more, but that’s the top three.
Oh wow shocking, people actually cared more about usability than trashy feature? That’s unheard of
They’re pushing AI so hard but most people just see it as a gimmicky thing. The only people who care are the investors.
Literally just give us phones that can do what they could do 10 years ago, with modern batteries.
this. put the sensors, audio jack, notification led, ir blaster back!
And fuck off with the ai!
LED notifications and physical keyboards. I miss my Blackberry
God me too. I feel like such a luddite whenever I bring this up. Touch screen keys even with swipe to text are terrible
It can be helpful when you use multiple keyboard layouts
I just want both the Touch ID and the Face ID on my damn phone…
I want it to be like the glory days of the Note 8/9. You want a FP reader? Its on the back and it works really well! You want Facial recognition? How about iris scans as well! Notification LED, aux jack, and a Pen built right in! Not enough storage, pop in a MicroSD. Only thing that was missing was easily swapped batteries! It all went downhill from here imo
That’s an interesting take. Thinking about it, I think I agree with you.
You know, almost every phone still has an ir blaster… It’s just not made Available to you.
(Auto focusing in cameras is largely done via an ir blaster and corrisponding receiver)
My ideal would basically be a modern version of the lg v20 - give me that removable battery, headphone jack, microsd slot, etc and just give me the current gen on chipset, screen, camera, etc.
No AI, no preloaded nonsense I can’t get rid of, I don’t care that it could be 0.000004mm thinner without the jack.
Its never been about what the consumer wants, its about driving “features” that will make more profits.
If it works with some custom software like GrapheneOS I’d buy this in a heartbeat
Not even out.of the box, just run nexus style - unlock if you want but support is now your own problem.
Which works for me regardless.
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You know what would be good? Headphone jack, and great batteries yes, but how about something easily self repairable? Or shit replaceable batteries would be nice too.
How about making a phone that’s a whole millimeter thicker just to make the glass thick and strong enough that it won’t break if you drop it?
Great idea! Unless of course the replacement of parts and broken phones is a core part of the business model.
Rubbish. If my phone isn’t so thin that it can double as a knife, it’s not worth buying.
Even if it were thicker I’d still slap on a sacrificial glass screen protector atop it. I’ve dropped my phone only a handful of times, and so far have only ever broken the protector.
Just slap a shield on it, there’s your added thickness and better drop resistance all in one!
There are a few ruggedized phones out there. I bought some cheap Oukitel phones to use as an order pad in restaurant I used to run, because I was fed up with two waitresses dropping and breaking pads. When I sold the business, I kept one. I use it mainly in my boat, as GPS, plotter, speedometer, weather…
The thing drops, gets wet, handled without care.
These phones exist. They are not top performance dogs, but can be quite decent. Why arent they in the front line? Because demand
I like AI and my phone to be separate. Chatgpt is just an app, it shouldn’t be a core feature
Also I want my OS to be an actual OS with root access. I want Linux in particular.
Like you know, you can setup a file share to back up files. You can back up your phone and get a new one easily. If you lost a phone you can bring it back. Your files organized the way you want and not some things here and done things there like the apps want.
It feels like yesterday some guy was arguing against me here on Lemmy about my personal choice of wanting a longer battery life.
WELL LOOK AT ME NOW BRO
No bro, it’s totally better to get 5-6 hours of battery and AI cause like it’s so incredible bro
Thank you for the verification can daddy
Your battery’s still short of 4 hours. 😁
Battery usage:
- 86%
- 3 days ago (last charge)
- 18 days left
That’s what I currently have with close to no usage. With usage it’s around 10 days in total. When using GPS it depends.
Wait, your phone battery lasts 18 days?! Is it a Nokia flip phone?
It’s an Oukitel.
Oukitel
Wow, that’s nuts! I have never heard of them, but that is super cool, and I’m glad I know about them now. Thank you!
There’s a lot of rebrands of these phones. If you get a rugged phone from an unknown brand it’s very possible it’s an Oukitel rebrand.
I’ve had a few but I mostly take one that doesn’t look too rugged. Enjoyed every one of them. They are also pretty easy to repair. (If you are able to remove the screen)
I really hope the AI hype dies off
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I think the battery system that’s best for everyone would be user-replaceable batteries. That way you can have an extra battery on hand to swap in as needed, or even extra-capacity batteries that make your phone a little thicker for people who are okay with that.
Those of us who do actually prefer thinner, lighter phones can still have them (maybe with a slight increase in thickness to accommodate the attachment mechanisms). Plus bigger batteries are a huge waste of resources if the capacity isn’t going to be used.
that was a thing in the early days. most clamshells had em and a few flat panels (called candybars)
First few galaxy phones. Pretty much all of the first few generations of smart phone except apple
yep. first one i had with a non removable battery was the lg v30. battery was removable but you voided the warranty to do it and it required opening the entire case with a knife edge
In fairness the removable battery came with a pretty significant tradeoff.
Water resistance.
Many would happily take a reduction in water resistance for replaceable batteries, the problem is no one gives us the choice
EDIT: inaccurate statement. Fairphone offers removable batteries
There are phones that give you this choice. The Fairphones for example. The back cover is easily removable and you can pop out the battery like in the ol’ days. It has an IP55 as far as I know.
That sounds sweet, I’ll consider Fairphone once my current samsung dies its not so noble death
I don’t know what a Fairphone costs where you live but where I live the Fairphone 5 starts at 550€ and the model with more storage and memory is 629€. That is no where even in the near of three times the price.
@sekki I didn’t say it was. I said at that price, a lower IP rating wouldn’t bother me. My device cost $1,600 so it better have the best IP rating available.
For the kind of money flagship phones go for these days, I want that bastid waterproof down to 300 meters AND last a week.
@copd @Sam_Bass here’s another aspect these people aren’t thinking about, wireless changing. That Qi pad is usually glued to the top of the battery or in some way attached that would make switching out batteries cumbersome at best.
Most batteries also get through the day and the ones that don’t, usually have fast charging, which makes giving up your ingress protection to remove a battery, that much more silly.
It’s not 2014. 😝
At that point I think many would just get a decent powerbank. I’d prefer a larger capacity battery, 7000-10000mah even if the phone is slightly heavier and bigger. Especially for travel.
I disagree, swappable battery > power bank.
Used to have a swappable battery. It was great, you could have like 3 of em and instantly be able to get back to 100% without having to be attached to a cord. I wish I could do the same for my SteamDeck now, it would be great :'(yeah and with a swappable system with a couple battery sizes you could do that. and I could choose a slimmer battery.
I used to have a power bank case for an old phone that had a weak battery. Battery got low I would just turn on the power bank in the case and charge the phone. It doubled the thickness of the phone but I don’t think it really bothered me at the time. This was the Amazon fire phone from 2014? You could get them for $100 and get a free year of prime. I rooted it and installed some custom os on it.
yeah I agree those are a good option too, but that doesn’t solve the issue of replacing a worn out battery. that’s why I think we need swappable batteries.
The features customers actually want vs what the shareholders tell them they want.
“The only thing we bothered changing in the new model is we added a robot that hoovers even more of your data and then lies to you confidently!”
