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The parallels between Musk and Stark seemed perfect on paper. Both are billionaire tech innovators with a flair for the dramatic and dreams of changing the world.

  • Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    2 minutes ago

    Yet he shook Elon’s hand on screen in iron man 2, solidifying that misconception. So I guess he’s cleaning up his own mess

  • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
    1·
    6 minutes ago

    Musk has much in common with Tony Stark though

    Mainly being egocentric and a POS human.

    The difference is that Tony had a character development that made him more likable, while Musk became more hated.

    That and the genius bit, of course.

  • masquenox@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2910·
    5 hours ago

    Are people ready to admit that characters like Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne has always served to propagandize the idea of “genius millionaire/billlionaire” capitalists despite the fact that no such thing has ever existed in reality?

    And that this propaganda is partly the reason why parasitic fraudster racketeers like Musk, Gates and Bezos gets to get away with their gargantuan crimes against humanity?

    No?

    • GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3010·
      4 hours ago

      are you ready to admit that fictional characters exist in fiction because it gives an escape to readers to fantasize about themselves as the hero?

      get over yourself bringing all that hatemongering in here.

      you think you offer a special perspective that none of us have that pertains to the widening of socioeconomic gaps between the rich and poor? yeah we get it, “rich man bad!”

      calling comic book characters propaganda, what’s wrong with you?! you think the writers of these characters have some kind of secret cabal where they purposely write great things about rich people just to make actual rich people look good?!

      your perspective is skewed and you need to re-evaluate it.

      • angrystego@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 hour ago

        I think there’s some kind of general fascination with rich people ingrained naturally in the human mind. It’s not just in comics. It’s present in many fairy tales, mythology, religious books…

        Iagree it can help the rich to get away with things. But I also think it’s not fair to blame authors for using good old archetypes, while I also support kindhearted critique of those archetypes - it’s important to understand their role in social context and to make authors aware of the downsides.

      • Seasm0ke@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        2 hours ago

        It isnt so much direct propaganda as conditioned propaganda. Stan Lee was a playwright for the us army a title I believe less than 10 people held at the time. He spent his late teens and early 20s being the hand on the page for the voice of the US government. Being immersed in those ideals it is no wonder he regurgitated us red scare propaganda and he expressed regret for it.

        This didnt stop though and with iron man stan lee said:

        “I think I gave myself a dare. It was the height of the Cold War. The readers, the young readers, if there was one thing they hated, it was war, it was the military. So I got a hero who represented that to the hundredth degree. He was a weapons manufacturer, he was providing weapons for the Army, he was rich, he was an industrialist. I thought it would be fun to take the kind of character that nobody would like, none of our readers would like, and shove him down their throats and make them like him … And he became very popular.”

        Prpaganda is defined as

        “deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist”.

        Iron man certainly seems to fit. Remember Stan Lee was in the military when it was antifascist. As a result he was pro military and he used his position to sway people toward his own views which… were developed when writing for the army. …

        It doesn’t have to be a secret conspiracy to act as propaganda. Social conditioning reinforces it. Americas civil religion permeates every aspect of life from the pledge of allegiance in kidnergarten to the anthem at ball games. If you do not recognize it and challenge it you will repeat it.

        I personally think in the case of Batman it was less nefarious. A plot device gone awry. After all, how could a normal man compete with Superman? In our society he would have to be rich to fund his inventions and afford superhuman tools.

  • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
    38·
    6 hours ago

    Stark actually was intelligent though. He really invented all the stuff he used, he earned the right to be a bit of an arse.

    • Dasus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17·
      5 hours ago

      Yeah.

      Elon bought the title of founder of Tesla. He’s not a fucking inventor, he’s a leech.

  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    5 hours ago

    Well, Stark is actually a fictional character in a genre that too often uses the term “smartest X alive” when that’s not how intelligence works at all. Also, like others have said, Howard Hughes is more likely the inspiration for Stark. That being said, the closest irl “tech savant” I can think of is John Carmack.

  • cmhe@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    7 hours ago

    Tesla’s CEO; The Inspiration For Tony Spark

    Elon “Baby-Brain” Musk as the inspiration of “Tony Spark” the cheap knock-off Tony Stark.

  • Dagwood222@lemm.eeEnglish
    361·
    11 hours ago

    When Stan Lee created Tony back in the 1960’s he probably took his inspiration from Howard Hughes.

    Hughes had been the inspiration for a famous novel of the time, “The Carpetbaggers.”

    HH was played by Leo DiCaprio in ‘The Aviator.’

  • Doomsider@lemmy.worldEnglish
    28·
    3 hours ago

    The parallels between Downey and Musk are much greater. Both are drug addicted pick me cunts.

    Also you need some new paper if you really think that a fictional character is just like Musk.

  • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1652·
    15 hours ago

    The parallels between Musk and Stark seemed perfect on paper. Both are billionaire tech innovators with a flair for the dramatic and dreams of changing the world.

    They’re not, though. Stark is a rare engineering powerhouse who personally pushed past a lot of engineering boundaries, and Musk is an investor/programmer who mostly puts his name on existing things.

    I might change my mind if Musk personally invents AGI, nanobots, and a previously-unknown clean energy source capable of powering a 1/3rd of NYC with a room no larger than a foyer, like Stark did, but I’m not holding out much by way of hopes.

  • Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.eeEnglish
    323·
    14 hours ago

    Clicks link

    The very first word in the article is a glaringly obvious fucking typo. Why on earth would I want to read anything that website has to say?!?

  • captainWhatsHisName@lemm.eeEnglish
    931·
    18 hours ago

    Hey vocal.media why not proofread your articles a little better? The first letter is a typo, never seen that before.

    Un an interview that’s got everyone talking, Robert Downey Jr has finally addressed the elephant in the room; those persistent comparisons between Elon Musk and the character Tony Stark.

  • Subtracty@lemmy.worldEnglish
    183·
    14 hours ago

    His cameo in the 2nd Iron Man movie always felt so cringey to me. I don’t know how it came about, but I like to imagine Musk asked the production for the role. It is so clear to me that he desperately wants to be seen as the man who will single handedly save the world. His companies do incredibly impressive things, I cannot discredit the work of SpaceX, but the more he speaks, the more I am convinced that he is just an egomaniac cosplaying as a genius.

    • abbotsbury@lemmy.worldEnglish
      111·
      12 hours ago

      I don’t know how it came about

      iirc the facility that we see housing the evil iron man ripoff suits was a SpaceX facility irl