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- leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world
US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.
“Trump won because of us and we’re not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others,” says Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.
You are the reason I dislike liberals.
You just look down on other people instead of trying to understand why they did what they did.
Be more like AOC. She asked her constituents that voted for both her and Trump why they voted for Trump so that she could understand them.
Do you know anyone in your personal life that fell victim to a scam? Used car? Telemarketer?
How many times would it take that victim being scammed by the same person before you called them dumb?
What does calling people dumb accomplish? Get them to hate you?
Why don’t you do something productive like help them recognize scams?
It socially shames you into making better choices.
If you were dumb yesterday, you can be not-dumb tomorrow if you admit to yourself that you were dumb.
It’s called personal growth, you won’t see it anywhere on .ml or whatever cesspit you dragged your opinion from.
Honestly, I think this is one reason why the disinformation networks - hate radio, Faux Nooz, the bro-ed up magaverse online, etc - is sooo effective.
It used to be socially painful to make stupid choices and to show fealty to really stupid things, like the Republican Party. Now, instead of these people having to go into a corner and nurse their wounds and maybe reflect, they flee into the irreality bubble these things provide, AND THEY ARE VALIDATED in there. They experience no painful shame, or at least not for very long.
When has this ever worked xD the vegan school of recruitment will ensure nobody votes for democrats again, people don’t like being shamed for shit they believe by people who think they’re superior in every way
All things are not equal.
“You fell for a scam” does not feel anything like “somebody else thinks the normal choice backed up by the whole of human history that you also made is immoral.”
Shame is a tool, and just like how you can’t use a screwdriver to fix a leaky pipe tools don’t apply to every situation.
Shame is valid when a person is making bad decisions that cause harm to themselves and those around them, not when somebody else is grumpy because we like fried chicken.
See other post. I voted for Harris. I thought an insurrection was enough to convince the populate not to vote for a traitor and I was wrong.
Socially shaming people doesn’t all work. It made me NOT vote for Clinton in 2016. What made me vote for Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024 is every thing that happened during Trumps presidency. I learned my lesson then.
Democrats’ attitudes at the time, much like the person calling Muslims dumb, was a big factor in me choosing not to vote for Clinton back then.
I’m trying to prevent that same thing happening to other people - especially a voting bloc that can sway my state.
There are paths to personal growth that don’t involve being a dick to others
The person you’re referring to didn’t call Muslims dumb. They said “THESE PEOPLE” are dumb, referring to Muslims that voted for trump. Are you being deliberately obtuse, or is reading comprehension simply not in your wheelhouse?
They are cherry picking the specific words they respond to. Which is a classic loser argument tactic that is employed to try and achieve a holier than thou position. See if they can somehow twist your words around to make it sound like you are forcing words into their mouth then they can play the victim. Suddenly if they achieve victim status that means you don’t get to say mean things to them anymore. When really, socially shaming people does still work. There’s just a lot of “coddling” that happens in online social media groups that allows people to massage their feelings in such a way so that they feel empowered to continue holding the same DUMB view points that got them shamed in the first place.
Yep. It was kinda cute how savagely they fought against a made-up position. Tilting windmills and all that.
Not sorry, stupid people need to be told they are stupid so they stop being stupid. Sometimes it means calling them out harshly. Get over it. Not everyone needs to be treated like a delicate flower that will wilt at the slightest disturbance. People are not made of sugar, crying won’t make them melt. We have an epidemic of stupidity spreading around the world. America is one of the worst places for it and people like you that cringe at calling out stupid are not helping solve the problem.
Hard to do when they’ve decided the scammer is God and anyone who says otherwise is the enemy who deserves to die.
I’m not saying go talk to the hardcore MAGA cultists mate. I’m saying seek to understand motivations and be open to dialogue if they can be convinced (ie. Former democrats voters). All I’m saying is coming with “stupid” right off the bat doesn’t help anyone.
I do insult 45 because no matter what I do or say I’m not going to convince him. I think the Muslims who voted for 45 again in my state, however, CAN be convinced
Not everything has to be about teaching a lesson, sometimes it can be just an observation of a fact.
Trying to teach stupid people? Obviously, you’ve never taught. Try teaching a fish to use a unicycle, then get back to us .
Excuse me? Are you saying you gave up on your students?
Nope.
He’ll yea those dirty Muslims and queers and commies and shit will never learn bc they’re just so much more stupid than liberals, therefore why even bother appealing to them? Why bother trying to protect them?
This shit literally hurts democrats. This holier than thou shit inspires people who might have voted Democrat to not do that. Why are you an asshole to people who are so close to voting for you? It only makes people hate democrats. Maybe try actually arguing in good faith rather than assuming everyone who doesn’t blindly VBNMW every election is stupid and evil?
I never said ANY OF THAT.
Get those windmills, Quixote.
Denying that you’re guilty of that libshit doesn’t make it any more tempting for anyone to vote democrat, and I say that as someone who voted for harris
The fuck are you even talking about? What “libshit” am i denying…?
So democrats should have done more to appeal to Muslim voters to make sure they don’t vote for trump? Bc it sounds like you think it’s Muslims fault not voting for their own eradication, rather than democrats fault for not promising to not eradicate them. And since you think they’re stupid, it really sounds like you just don’t think democrats should give any shits about Muslims, since they’re just stupid trump supporters anyway
This is how you view non-liberals. This is the libshit I’m talking about. Are you gonna tell me some bullshit about how you’re actually only talking about specifically the Muslims that voted for trump? Bc if that’s the case, then surely you support more outreach and more good faith attempts to get Muslims to support democrats, rather than just calling them stupid, right?
I read some of the comments from AOC’s constituents. Many of them were not smart people either.
If you want to learn what it takes to sway dumb people, you can run a very unethical campaign like Trump’s and get the Presidency.
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This is like asking someone to explain why they believe the world is flat or that we didn’t land on the moon.
When those people vote you need to know why. Or be snide, that’s worked out great for the Dems
It’s because they’re stupid and/or bigoted.
Cool. Don’t meet their concerns then. It’s really important to feel morally superior while you’re politically irrelevant
When “being politically irrelevant” is not being a fascist, who has the moral high ground?
Way to completely misunderstand what I said. I’m done here.
https://www.thewrap.com/aoc-asks-constituents-why-they-voted-trump
Read it
Yep, real smart people there. Anybody who voted for both of them together is an idiot. They represent polar opposites of the political spectrum. She’s basically the most progressive politician after Bernie, and he’s the most regressive. She’s thoughtful in the way she expresses herself, and he spews verbal diarrhea and lies as if he would instantly die if he said anything true.
Anybody who thinks Trump cares for the working class is fucking delusional. He’s shown time after time that he doesn’t care about anything that doesn’t directly benefit him. He’s a fucking monster and anyone who can’t see that has to be stupid.
Yep. He had four years and the only thing he did was give away gigantic bags of goodies to the already obscenely wealthy. He didn’t do anything for the working class.
You are focusing on Trump bad. Focus on “what can the Democratic Party do to be more appealing to voters?” The answer is be more like AOC - show you care about the working class.
This only supports my statement.
I think many people already understood they vote with their feelings instead of their brain. They care more about how a candidate makes them feel than about their policies. They care more about “the vibe” than anything logical. And it’s fucking us all. A candidate shouldn’t have to stroke anyone’s fee fees, people should use the meat in their skull prison to make a sound and reasonable choice.
But i guess this country is certainly too stupid to make basic reasonable choices when presented with options. So you have a point. Don’t call them stupid or idiots because their feelings are more important to them than reason. Fucking cromagnon politics. Gonna be even more important when the DoE is ripped out.
Strong anti-generalization assertion.
Except
Ah shit, you opened with a cheesy generalization. Validating to see the"every accusation is a confession" thing holds.
But let’s get into it.
one was bad but could be swayed
one was worse on all counts for all criteria, was only getting worse, can’t be fixed and would tear down all the checks and balances that make government work
They picked the second option, overwhelmingly, despite the massive damage to the very fabric of the nation and the insanely worse prospects for them as a recognizable minority.
Logic it out.
First off all, I didn’t vote for the orange turd. Let’s get that out of the way.
Second of all, there is PLENTY to criticize on the conservative side but I don’t want to see another fascist in office so I’m trying to improve the liberal side.
Muslims had a SIGNIFICANT impact on the results in my state. You are minimizing their core issue - getting democrats to actually support not killing Muslims in Gaza. Thats it
And by choosing that as the core issue they chose to have even more death in Gaza. Even if they convinced the Democratic Party to now shift on this issue entirely, they completely lack the power to do anything about it because they lost the election and control zero branches of government. It’s very difficult not to see this coming from an entire galaxy away.
And so the solution is to keep sending bombs to Israel and ignore them, since they’re so stupid, right? Clearly their votes don’t matter, so why even bother listening to them or appealing to them, right?
Found another not smart person, guys
They said while looking down their nose through a smug sense of superiority
Next time she won’t have to ask either
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Rubles.
They did it for the rubles