There will always be a background level of online misanthropes labeling everything woke, but that only gets attention if there nothing else remarkable about the game.
So if the only online dialog about a game is how woke it is, the game probably isn’t very good.
I can probably find dozens of games in my library that had mediocre, unremarkable stories. If we change their white male protagonists to someone black or gay, suddenly it’s “bad because it’s woke”. Doesn’t that make perfect sense???10&@?
It’s a fine video, but doesn’t have anything to do with sacrificing story or content. It’s about adding something to an already shit product. Maybe I misinterpreted your original post?
Taking a good story written by one person, and then having other people shoehorn a political agenda into it, makes the story less good usually, perhaps even bad.
Or, taking a bad story, and trying to save it by shoving a political agenda into it does not make it a good story either.
I think a lot of the complaints, online, are really about bad stories being presented as good because they have a political agenda attached to them. Hence the pushback we’ve been discussing in this thread
Honestly this sort of thing happening is extremely rare. In reality either the story/environment gets sacrificed to pander to some audience to make more money, or the game is from the ground up built to support that political message.
What also happens is devs deciding that they’d rather have diversity than trying to emulate some real historical setting in their unrealistic fantasy world, which for some reason gets people crying too, but has nothing to do with pushing a political message and rather just changing the expectation of white male default in western games (and probably pandering to the sensibilities of the majority of their audience to make more money).
It’s not wrong that the complaints about “woke” are mostly precisely about this perceived lowering of quality for some agenda or pandering, it’s just that that is rarely what’s happening. Like this whole idea that some people like to push that if not every woman in your game is conventionally attractive, it’s “woke” and you’re “ignoring your actual audience”. When usually these games have a ton of hot women (and men) anyway because they’re fully aware many people like playing hot characters, they just have other options too.
I did not say writing a good game about gay, black, or women is political.
These statements are different.
So if the game is good and centers around those things its a good game.
But if its bad and centers around those things, its woke. Am i understanding you correctly?
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There will always be a background level of online misanthropes labeling everything woke, but that only gets attention if there nothing else remarkable about the game.
So if the only online dialog about a game is how woke it is, the game probably isn’t very good.
When has this happened?
Edit: yeah, i figured you wouldnt be able to come up with an example.
I can probably find dozens of games in my library that had mediocre, unremarkable stories. If we change their white male protagonists to someone black or gay, suddenly it’s “bad because it’s woke”. Doesn’t that make perfect sense???10&@?
If the writing sucks, the writing would still suck even if it was pro-oppression.
What exactly do you think needs to be sacrificed when deciding a character is gay?
I dont think that.
I’m not sure how else to interpret your own quote
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It’s a fine video, but doesn’t have anything to do with sacrificing story or content. It’s about adding something to an already shit product. Maybe I misinterpreted your original post?
People love good stories.
Taking a good story written by one person, and then having other people shoehorn a political agenda into it, makes the story less good usually, perhaps even bad.
Or, taking a bad story, and trying to save it by shoving a political agenda into it does not make it a good story either.
I think a lot of the complaints, online, are really about bad stories being presented as good because they have a political agenda attached to them. Hence the pushback we’ve been discussing in this thread
Again, please provide an example of what youre talking about so we can all engage in discussion.
Honestly this sort of thing happening is extremely rare. In reality either the story/environment gets sacrificed to pander to some audience to make more money, or the game is from the ground up built to support that political message.
What also happens is devs deciding that they’d rather have diversity than trying to emulate some real historical setting in their unrealistic fantasy world, which for some reason gets people crying too, but has nothing to do with pushing a political message and rather just changing the expectation of white male default in western games (and probably pandering to the sensibilities of the majority of their audience to make more money).
It’s not wrong that the complaints about “woke” are mostly precisely about this perceived lowering of quality for some agenda or pandering, it’s just that that is rarely what’s happening. Like this whole idea that some people like to push that if not every woman in your game is conventionally attractive, it’s “woke” and you’re “ignoring your actual audience”. When usually these games have a ton of hot women (and men) anyway because they’re fully aware many people like playing hot characters, they just have other options too.