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  • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    1 year ago

    Not the same event. It’s rather like if someone was talking about the migration in response to the Homestead Act and you mention the Donner party as though it was part of that.

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      1 year ago

      Not related to what you are responding to but just as an interesting symbolic link between the two things you mentioned, iirc the first people killed, butchered and eaten by the Donner party were their native scouts, afterwards mostly erased from the story in popular telling. Just as the homesteaders first ethnically cleansed the native Americans before hunger for more land turned them cannibalistically against each other

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        That is interesting! I didn’t know they had native guides, though I suppose of course they would and of course those guides were the first sacrificed by colonizers.

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          Looked a little more into it, they weren’t actually the very first eaten but were the first (and by some accounts only) to be murdered for the purpose of eating. They both refused to eat human meat before fleeing (they’d been warned their murder was being planned), but were caught up with down the trail a few days later. Shortly after they were butchered the group (a segment of the party that had been sent ahead) that did it were harboured and fed in a Miwok village (the guides having also been Miwok I think). A grizzly tale.

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        I am pretty sure they mean the revolts from right at the start of the PRC. Wikipedia is a hostile source and I don’t endorse it, but it explains well enough that the Land Reform Movement started before the end of the Civil War and mostly ended by 1953. Because the CPC/PLA only had so much manpower and China is huge, they had very little direct involvement, and instead just said in so many words “we aren’t protecting the landlords’ claim to their property, do what you will”. The peasants then independently seized the land, usually either killing or driving out the landlord, and distributed it among themselves or sometimes held it in common.

        There’s an interesting relation between this approach and Mao’s observations of peasant movements a few decades prior.