Hello everyone! First of all, I’d like to say thank you to every one of you for your support! Our community is about to be the first user-made one to reach 1K users/week on this instance. And our friends over at Ask Lemmy and Mildly Infuriating are following very closely, which is just as amazing!
We’re all working together to establish healthy communities and a friendly atmosphere here. And over at !NoStupidQuestions, we believe that all our members should have a say in what we do & how we do it.
Do you see anything wrong with our rules? Would you like anything removed and/or added? Do you think Rule 6 is useful and good for the community? Do you want a discord server or a matrix chat room?
Please feel free to ask any questions you might have & share your suggestions and ideas!
With Love,
!NoStupidQuestions Mod Team
I’m not on lemmy.world, but I’d just like to say that im always sad when I see communities using Discord for communication. It’s the exact opposite of lemmy. And if one considers the current Reddit measures as harsh, they are pretty soft compared to Discords stance on such matters. Information that goes in there is basically lost. So go the entire way with Matrix.
We did! You can join our matrix chat room by following directions at our sidebar :)
I don’t think removing hateful people will be as big of an issue as it was on reddit though, since the mod log is public by default, and it’s more likely they’ll just be all driven back into a defederated hiding place somewhere.
We agree with you margot robbie. Lemmy.world in general has policies that prevent toxicity sitewide.
It’s a very delicate balance to mod, you want people to feel free to express their different opinions without getting their comments instantly removed, but you also want to keep the assholes who only comes to upset people out (a small minority, for sure, but they should not feel welcome to spew their venom everywhere).
I’d say rules are ultimately just guidelines, but you should always be flexible, but fair with the rules, and then people will stay here.
They are absolutely meant to be guidelines. Some of our rules exist only to warn people of danger and have no causation, some there to provide extra freedom posting, and some are there to strictly restrict the certain types of behavior you described. We should indeed always stay friendly and reasonable before all.
I think it’s important to acknowledge that users also have the ability to block those they deem unsavory. Usually when it doubt, I’d err on the side of letting users make decisions for themselves. Who gets to say what other people should see? Blocking people also prevents them from making new accounts because they’re unlikely to realize they’re blocked.
Personally I would address the wording around rule 5. As it stands, it basically just sounds like the lead mod is going “I reserve the right to control the political climate of this community.”
I think if you simply elaborated a little more in the description of the rule, and possibly provided examples, it would help allay these fears.
Let’s get off on a good, professional footing that inspires seriousness and trust in our userbase, though, instead of a funnier one that encourages goofing off and trolling.
edit: added a couple words
Do you want a discord server or a matrix chat room?
Matrix.
The rule list could use some formatting so they are scannable. Right now every rule is one long text paragraph. If the central words or short summary head were bold it’d be much better UI and UX wise.
It may be worth it to consider or discuss whether certain types of questions that have more fitting alternative communities should be posted there and not here. (General open questions may be better fit on asklemmy. Questions that are not “stupid” either through lack of knowledge or lack of context knowledge or risk of being looked down upon may not belong here.) Although moderating those could become difficult because they may not always be clearly one or the other.
Asking for opinions is not a possibly considered stupid question unless it’s something people generally don’t have to ask about or shouldn’t ask about.
Congratz!! Amazing to see this growth.
Rules look fine to me, I also appreciate a lot that you’re asking the community <3
Thank you! We’ve all seen what toxic moderators meant back in Reddit. Whatever they did to put themselves first and hurt their users, we should be doing the exact opposite here. :)
I think it’s time to unpin this.
It’s not actually pinned on lemmy.world. The unpin just didn’t federate to your instance.
Stupid question, couldn’t resist. On Jerboa, I am not seeing the link to the rules. Gonna look around a bit more.
On the community page, click on the up right 3 dots, then community info.
I would suggest an FAQ for newbies, since so many are flooding in (like me). Too big a burden for a few sysadmins or mods, so I would suggest you crowd-source it. If Lemmy has wiki-like capabilities, you could use those. Or as a last resort, you could use the actual en.wikipedia.org. This is my first day here, and I’ve read tons but I feel as though I’m lost and without a map.
Rule 2. Get rid of and/or and just use or. https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/effective-writing/what-about-andor/. I don’t feel like finding the section in Strunk’s Elements of Style.
Rule 8 suggested text: All comments must be relevant to their parent post or comment. Sometimes a comment can raise a topic worth discussing that isn’t related to the main post. It is easy enough to just collapse it if you aren’t interested.
No Discord. I would go old school and put up an IRC server or use Matrix.
Rule 6. I would require troll questions to be tagged instead of serious questions. Having to specify that you want to use the community for its intended purposes goes against the spirit of the idea that people can ask anything without fear of judgement.
I would get rid of rule 7. Positive communities could sway these individuals away from that stuff. Any bad behavior is already covered by the no sea lioning and no harassment rules.
Rules 2 & 8 have been addressed along with some other updates to the draft.
We already have a matrix chat room.
On Rule 6, troll questions already require a tag, and they are only allowed on Friday.
Rule 7, we’d still like to keep extra measures to protect our members, as “swaying away” often happens too late.
Wow, thanks!
Rule 7, we’d still like to keep extra measures to protect our members, as “swaying away” often happens too late.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.” - Friedrich Nietzsche
“Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a group that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of any other group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you you will be banned on sight.”
You would to ban the entire mod staff now, because you are a members of a group, No Stupid Questions moderators, that is advocating discriminating against another group of people, those that do the things in the aforementioned paragraph. Because you use ANY group of people, it applies. You are setting the mod team up in a situation to decide in groups and out groups.
Am I making sense?
I disagree. The moderator team is not a group known to largely hate or discriminate against any group of people. It has a sole function of keeping the community subject to lemmy.world standards, and enforcing the rules of the community while keeping a friendly language all the way. That’s what it tries to be and that’s what it’s known as.
Enforcing rules is not discrimination, and there’s no one group that breaks rules. As stated many times, lemmy.world is not a free speech platform in a complete sense.
discriminate against
Except you are by having a rule that you can’t be a member of groups that the mod team thinks does.
The wording any group against any other group is so vague it literally applies to anyone. I am a US military veteran. They used to discriminate against women and homosexuals. When I was in, we were actively hunting the Taliban to capture or kill them. So should I be banned? Should Ukrainian soldiers be banned? They kill Russian soldiers. Pretty discriminating. By the way the rule is worded, I need banned, any Ukrainian soldiers here need banned. Everyone needs banned because everyone, by virtue of being a citizen of wherever is member of a group that has discriminated. I can’t vote in Australian elections, so they are discriminating against non Australian citizens.
Thought experiment. What if say, a kkk member is questioning their beliefs and genuinely curious about alternate viewpoints. Banning them just reinforces the idea that these “woke” people hate everyone that doesn’t agree with them.
You’re forgetting the part where it comes down to,
and if you were provably vocal about your hate
meaning, you are welcome to participate no matter who you are, unless you engage in hate speech against others. Hate speech which would be breaking our friendly atmosphere and disrupting other people’s experience.
you are welcome to participate no matter who you are, unless you engage in hate speech against others.
Great. So the whole being a member of a group part can be removed then because hate speech is already covered.
It sounds nitpicky, but it is very personal for me. I’ve seen good group/bad group mentality cause some rather monstrous behavior first hand. I realize there is a lot of nuance, but I really dislike any language like that.
Thank you for all your suggestions, and I hope that you’re feeling better and living more peacefully now. We’ll take this into consideration and talk about it today, and i’ll be sure to let you know when & how it is addressed.
Rule 7 has been updated to refer to hateful movements, rather than groups in general.
