Permanently deleted

  • PenguinCoder@beehaw.org
    shield
    M
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    27
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Thanks for your reports on it. We try to action it as quickly as we can, and your reporting it helps us. We are attempting a few other Beehaw-only Lemmy changes to mitigate this sort of spam; short of de-federation. One of the major issues is that Kbin does not federate moderator actions. So they could have already dealt with the spammer and removed the posts, from Kbin. Those actions don’t get to us on Beehaw and the spammer posts still lives.

    • Link.wav [he/him]@beehaw.orgOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      30
      ·
      1 year ago

      One of the major issues is that Kbin does not federate moderator actions

      OHHHH! This explains a lot. I had assumed kbin was doing nothing, but they could be removing the posts/accounts, but that doesn’t carry over to us.

      Wow, that’s a HUGE drawback to how federation is handled, isn’t it?

      • Wooster@startrek.website
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        1 year ago

        It’s a major hole with regards to spam, but in a hypothetical whistleblower scenario it makes it hard for a single entity to silence and remove all evidence.

        There are simply trade offs, but it doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement.

        • Samus Crankpork@beehaw.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          9
          ·
          1 year ago

          Given the nature of the internet, I feel that spam is a much bigger problem than a potential whistleblower being silenced, and wouldn’t that kind of action show up in the logs anyways?

          • Wooster@startrek.website
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            1 year ago

            As a former admin, I guarantee no one seriously reads those logs outside of happenstance. It takes the users speaking up to warrant that.

            • abhibeckert@beehaw.org
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              The whistleblower can read (or ask someone to read) the logs and find out who silenced them, then whistleblow that/get get whoever did it defederated.

              Deleting spam isn’t optional. If you leave it there your community is dead.

              • Wooster@startrek.website
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                1 year ago

                What I meant with whistleblowing in terms of the fediverse is:

                Whistleblower posts to instance A, and it gets mirrored on instance B.

                Someone like Musk erases the post on instance A.

                As the Fediverse currently works, the whistleblowing still exists on instance B, and cannot be deleted by an admin on instance A.

                Asking a Musk to divulge who did the silencing is an exercise in futility.

                That said, I’m totally on board with better tools to handle spam.

      • PenguinCoder@beehaw.orgM
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        Can’t say we’re 100% responsible for the reduced spam lately; but wanted to get your thoughts. Has there been less Kbin spam lately? Do you feel our countermeasures are working well since a few weeks ago?

    • TimTheEnchanter@beehaw.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      I’ve been reporting the spam as much as I can, since I’m seeing a lot too, but that explains why it’s still hanging around. Thanks!

    • khalic@beehaw.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      I remember a website that used a gamified interface that would pic a random picture uploaded by users and ask you to classify it. It was completely optional, accessible through a link and a great way to kill time.

      Maybe a similar interface could be put in place, with proper warnings about the possible sensitivity of the posts you’ll see. The user sees the post and says if it’s spam or not spam. The randomness makes it somewhat tamper resistant.

      I would gladly do it sometimes, instead of doom scrolling.