Yes, Reddit is going through its own API pains right now, and of course it is anyway a centralised social network much like Facebook and Twitter. So the discussion around alternatives has been coming up again. Lemmy has been around for a while, its technology is good, and it federates via ActivityPub to the rest...
/kbin is fully compatible with Lemmy - you can subscribe to Lemmy communities, post there, up- and downwote Lemmy threads and comment under them. User of any Lemmy instance can do the same with /kbin magazines.
/kbin magazines work the same way as Lemmy communities. Almost. Owner of a magazine can assign hashtags to it, which will effect in aggregating posts from outside Lemmy and /kbin in this magazine.
Because /kbin allows you to read threads not only from “Feddit”/“Threadiverse”, but also from Mastodon and other federated microblogging, in the same threaded format, categorised by magazines. (section “Microblog”)
So, do I need to make an account there? Or because I’m here, can I get ‘over there’? I guess what I’m confused by is how to interact with it. It seems a bit duplicitous with lemmy (maybe just a different view of the same data?), but I dont know where or how to interact or if I am already by being on lemmy.
That’s actually really good way of describing how the fediverse works. We are all looking at the same conversation, but reading it from different servers that are providing us with their own graphical interface for that conversation.
The reason you see ask_lemmy posts when you visit kbin is because kbin users can also see lemmy posts. Similarly, you can see kbin posts. Anyone with a Mastodon account can post and reply to both kbin and lemmy threads, too.
but I dont know where or how to interact or if I am already by being on lemmy.
The thread you’re posting in right now is coming from kbin, but you are replying to it from your lemmy account. So I think you’re already doing the thing you described, maybe without even realizing it.
The thread you’re posting in right now is coming from kbin, but you are replying to it from your lemmy account. So I think you’re already doing the thing you described, maybe without even realizing it.
So maybe you can help me work through understanding the account part of it. Like, I’m on lemmy, we’re talking on kbin; super cool. The ‘data’ lives on kbin. But ‘we’ (royal we) ‘live’ on lemmy. What protects/ prevents some one from making a u/fomo_erotic on kbin? Anything? Say I liked the way kbin organizes the data better. Can I just use my fomo_erotic id to log into kbin? Would I have to migrate? If I’m concerned about other people in the fedi being ‘me’ should I get fomo on those ids?
I guess these are small details and if another fomo_erotic showed up, I wouldn’t really care, but I guess what Im wondering is how far can ‘we’ go in the fediverse? What analogy would you use for the ‘id’ part of the fediverse?
Your “name” in the fediverse is fomo_erotic@lemmy.ml. It’s just using shorthand for your name here. If someone else signed up on kbin as fomo_erotic@kbin.social they would have that as their username. You can’t log into one with the credentials on the other - they are totally separate. If you signed up on another Lemmy instance, like beehaw.org, you could be fomo_erotic@beehaw.org there, and that account would have no relation to your account on lemmy.ml. So don’t get too caught up in the idea that you are using Lemmy and I’m using kbin - it’s more about what home server you use.
I attached (probably? I don’t know how to use this well yet) a screenshot of what your account looks like on my end
Your ID is stuck on one server, even if you can post messages on other servers. One server must be your “home” server. Unfortunately, this means that if you ever want to start using kbin all the time time instead of just posting messages to it, you’ll have to register an account there. I don’t think lemmy or kbin offer a way of migrating your account right now, so you would have to just start a new account on kbin.
What protects/ prevents some one from making a u/fomo_erotic on kbin? Anything?
Nothing prevents that from happening. However, your name is not just u/fomo_erotic, it’s fomo_erotic@lemmy.ml. The “@lemmy.ml” part at the end is important, it’s part of your full username. If you hover over my name, you’ll see that it ends with @kbin.social.
This is the same as how email addresses work – someone can be john_doe@gmail.com, and someone else can register john_doe@outlook.com, and the first John Doe doesn’t really have any way of stopping that. John’s contacts need to know that he has a Gmail address, not an Outlook address.
Lemmy hides the @lemmy.ml part at the end unless you hover over the username, and I wish it always showed the full thing, because hiding it makes it easier to impersonate people. That isn’t really a big problem right now, though, since Lemmy is still too small to have a problem with impersonation accounts. But imagine if you got an email and it just said “from john_doe,” no @gmail.com after it. Hopefully Lemmy changes that soon.
If I’m concerned about other people in the fedi being ‘me’ should I get fomo on those ids?
I don’t think it’s worth worrying about that. Plus, it won’t even be possible to worry about it eventually. While there are only a few Lemmy-like sites right now, eventually, like email, there could be thousands.
It seems to be a common misconception that once you have a Reddit account you can use that to login anywhere on the fediverse. In reality it’s more the other way around. Your Reddit account talks to FB, YT, Twitter, IG, etc. So you’re interacting with me while I’m on kbin and you’re on Lemmy. If I wanted to, I could reply to this comment from my Calckey account (“Twitter”). And if for some reason it appealed to you, you could get this content in Friendica (“Facebook”). That’s the magic of the fediverse.
@fomo_erotic@mstrbtr
Lemmy and kbin are two softwares who speak the same language. You can see kbin posts on lemmy and lemmy posts on kbin. Communities from lemmy are called magazines on kbin.
The features and UI are different. Kbin is more integrated to Twitter-like softwares like mastodon.
Kbin is more integrated to Twitter-like softwares like mastodon.
What does this mean exactly? Wouldn’t mastodon’s way of working be incompatible with kbin/lemmy since one has strict hierarchy magazine/community>thread/submission>comment, and the other is just a bunch of comments like twitter? Basically subject vs person driven content?
Kbin has a “microblog” tab, you can see posts from mastodon people there. They’re either associated to a magazibe thanks to hashtags or in “random”. And you can follow people.
On lemmy, you can’t follow people and any post that isn’t associated to a community is just invisible to you.
All a community/magazine is is an group in ActivityPub, just like in Mastodon or lemmy/kbin/calckey etc. Following and posting a message to that group from Mastodon amounts to working exactly the same as you would follow/post to another user. The only difference is that Mastodon uses the ‘note’ data type and lemmy/KBin use ‘article’ amongst others.
On kbin a magazine can be setup to track hashtags and any ‘note’ with that hashtag will appear there too.
How does kbin work? I see ask lemme posts on there.
/kbin is fully compatible with Lemmy - you can subscribe to Lemmy communities, post there, up- and downwote Lemmy threads and comment under them. User of any Lemmy instance can do the same with /kbin magazines.
/kbin magazines work the same way as Lemmy communities. Almost. Owner of a magazine can assign hashtags to it, which will effect in aggregating posts from outside Lemmy and /kbin in this magazine.
Because /kbin allows you to read threads not only from “Feddit”/“Threadiverse”, but also from Mastodon and other federated microblogging, in the same threaded format, categorised by magazines. (section “Microblog”)
So, do I need to make an account there? Or because I’m here, can I get ‘over there’? I guess what I’m confused by is how to interact with it. It seems a bit duplicitous with lemmy (maybe just a different view of the same data?), but I dont know where or how to interact or if I am already by being on lemmy.
That’s actually really good way of describing how the fediverse works. We are all looking at the same conversation, but reading it from different servers that are providing us with their own graphical interface for that conversation.
The reason you see ask_lemmy posts when you visit kbin is because kbin users can also see lemmy posts. Similarly, you can see kbin posts. Anyone with a Mastodon account can post and reply to both kbin and lemmy threads, too.
The thread you’re posting in right now is coming from kbin, but you are replying to it from your lemmy account. So I think you’re already doing the thing you described, maybe without even realizing it.
So maybe you can help me work through understanding the account part of it. Like, I’m on lemmy, we’re talking on kbin; super cool. The ‘data’ lives on kbin. But ‘we’ (royal we) ‘live’ on lemmy. What protects/ prevents some one from making a u/fomo_erotic on kbin? Anything? Say I liked the way kbin organizes the data better. Can I just use my fomo_erotic id to log into kbin? Would I have to migrate? If I’m concerned about other people in the fedi being ‘me’ should I get fomo on those ids?
I guess these are small details and if another fomo_erotic showed up, I wouldn’t really care, but I guess what Im wondering is how far can ‘we’ go in the fediverse? What analogy would you use for the ‘id’ part of the fediverse?
Your “name” in the fediverse is fomo_erotic@lemmy.ml. It’s just using shorthand for your name here. If someone else signed up on kbin as fomo_erotic@kbin.social they would have that as their username. You can’t log into one with the credentials on the other - they are totally separate. If you signed up on another Lemmy instance, like beehaw.org, you could be fomo_erotic@beehaw.org there, and that account would have no relation to your account on lemmy.ml. So don’t get too caught up in the idea that you are using Lemmy and I’m using kbin - it’s more about what home server you use.
I attached (probably? I don’t know how to use this well yet) a screenshot of what your account looks like on my end
Hmm I dont see that. Do you see this:
Your ID is stuck on one server, even if you can post messages on other servers. One server must be your “home” server. Unfortunately, this means that if you ever want to start using kbin all the time time instead of just posting messages to it, you’ll have to register an account there. I don’t think lemmy or kbin offer a way of migrating your account right now, so you would have to just start a new account on kbin.
Nothing prevents that from happening. However, your name is not just u/fomo_erotic, it’s fomo_erotic@lemmy.ml. The “@lemmy.ml” part at the end is important, it’s part of your full username. If you hover over my name, you’ll see that it ends with @kbin.social.
This is the same as how email addresses work – someone can be john_doe@gmail.com, and someone else can register john_doe@outlook.com, and the first John Doe doesn’t really have any way of stopping that. John’s contacts need to know that he has a Gmail address, not an Outlook address.
Lemmy hides the @lemmy.ml part at the end unless you hover over the username, and I wish it always showed the full thing, because hiding it makes it easier to impersonate people. That isn’t really a big problem right now, though, since Lemmy is still too small to have a problem with impersonation accounts. But imagine if you got an email and it just said “from john_doe,” no @gmail.com after it. Hopefully Lemmy changes that soon.
I don’t think it’s worth worrying about that. Plus, it won’t even be possible to worry about it eventually. While there are only a few Lemmy-like sites right now, eventually, like email, there could be thousands.
Think of it like email. You are on one of the Lemmy providers, while we are on one of the Kbin providers, being able to send email to each other. :D
It seems to be a common misconception that once you have a Reddit account you can use that to login anywhere on the fediverse. In reality it’s more the other way around. Your Reddit account talks to FB, YT, Twitter, IG, etc. So you’re interacting with me while I’m on kbin and you’re on Lemmy. If I wanted to, I could reply to this comment from my Calckey account (“Twitter”). And if for some reason it appealed to you, you could get this content in Friendica (“Facebook”). That’s the magic of the fediverse.
@fomo_erotic @mstrbtr
Lemmy and kbin are two softwares who speak the same language. You can see kbin posts on lemmy and lemmy posts on kbin. Communities from lemmy are called magazines on kbin.
The features and UI are different. Kbin is more integrated to Twitter-like softwares like mastodon.
What does this mean exactly? Wouldn’t mastodon’s way of working be incompatible with kbin/lemmy since one has strict hierarchy magazine/community>thread/submission>comment, and the other is just a bunch of comments like twitter? Basically subject vs person driven content?
@Kaldo @mstrbtr @fomo_erotic
Kbin has a “microblog” tab, you can see posts from mastodon people there. They’re either associated to a magazibe thanks to hashtags or in “random”. And you can follow people.
On lemmy, you can’t follow people and any post that isn’t associated to a community is just invisible to you.
All a community/magazine is is an group in ActivityPub, just like in Mastodon or lemmy/kbin/calckey etc. Following and posting a message to that group from Mastodon amounts to working exactly the same as you would follow/post to another user. The only difference is that Mastodon uses the ‘note’ data type and lemmy/KBin use ‘article’ amongst others.
On kbin a magazine can be setup to track hashtags and any ‘note’ with that hashtag will appear there too.