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Summary
Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign has reignited fears among undocumented migrants with promises of “mass deportations” and migrant communities are bracing for uncertainty and a new wave of nativism.
His administration plans to target those deemed public safety or national security threats, potentially reinstating workplace raids and using military resources.
Advocates warn that “collateral arrests” could sweep up migrants without criminal records.
Many, like “Dreamers” protected under DACA, fear family separations, while others, such as Carlos in NYC, hope Trump’s economic policies might benefit them.
“A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too,” said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.
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“A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too,” said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.
Oh Carlos, mi dulce niño del verano …
He will have a rude awakening, more like the law being rammed on his anus along with an one way ticket
I know y’all want to make this a stupid voters leopards ate my balls post but these are undocumented people. They can not vote and had no say in the election.
Remember the old maxim: “no one hates new immigrants more than old immigrants”… Their fellow legalized immigrants supported this outcome as well
I’m sorry, my “give a fuck” stopped working just after the election results came in.
Trump promised to deport illegals and even “denaturalize” certain citizens. He wants to deport 20 million illegal immagrants separate family and put the in camps while awaiting deportation. None of this was a secret, they fucking bragged about it.
Trump gained 14 points nationally with Hispanics. I hope he goes balls to the fucking wall and drops the hammer. May the people get exactly what they voted for.
Meanwhile, I’m going to do the best to make sure me and mine are taken care of. Stock up on toilet paper, N95 masks, freeze dried food and bullets. It’s gonna be lit!🔥
The only difference between you and a Republican is your rhetoric then.
Go fuck yourself
Always has been
“Why didn’t literally everyone tell me that the racist genocidal maniac was a racist genocidal maniac?”
INCLUDING the racist, genocidal maniac?!?1?
I get that TikTok, YT Shorts, and FaceBook slowly removes attention span, but how the fuck does it cause Amnesia for everything that happened before 2020?
Trump literally removed holding time limitations and changed the Criminal Only ICE focus of previous administrations so they could put women and children in cages deport children alone to random South American nations citing some ancient treaties.
This already fucking happened. All of it.
Lots of people still thought Trump was running against Biden when they cast their vote.
I’m honestly terrified as a naturalized citizen that he’s going to either try to revoke my citizenship or ignore it altogether :/
Birthright citizenship is on the chopping block
If they’re allowed to carry out their plans in full, will there even BE any path to citizenship?
Depends - are you white, rich, male, speak English and at least a touch racist yourself?
If not - na, probably not.
I’m doing my part!
How willing to work the fields are you? Not? Then you are deported!
Everyone here who stayed past their visa or crossed the border illegally is a criminal to the Republicans regardless of any attempts at asylum or other legal avenues to stay. (Yes, they have done something illegal, no need to be a pedant)
Especially if they’re brown.
If they’re white and have some money, they’ll be fine.
If they’re brown and working for a Republican illegally, they’ll just get paid less and worked harder while being threatened with deportation if they complain.
Stephen “nazi” Miller wants to create an army from Trump loyal national guard members and go into “blue” states to enforce deportation.
I doubt they’ll check if you’re a criminal or not.
Or indeed if you’re an immigrant.
“If you’re here illegally, you better be looking over your shoulder.”
They’ve also mentioned along the lines of “if you are here illegally, then you’ve already committed a crime”.
The fun part is, it’s not actually a crime. That’s why they use immigration judges and not criminal ones.
“If you’ve downloaded a car, then you’ve already committed a crime.”
“A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too,” said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.
So long, Carlos.
Carlos can’t vote, but a majority of both Latino men and Latino women voted for Kamala.
The only majority that voted for Trump is white people.
Let’s just agree that it’s the ones who voted for Trump that are the problem, not anyone else. I don’t care what ethnicity someone is, but it really stretches my compassion to have sympathy with any Trump voters that suffer predictable results.
Kamala told us she was allies with Dick Cheney while we are in the middle of supporting a genocide.
No. I do not support Harris. This loss is hers.
If you do not have sympathy for working families then you are not in my party.
I see that as two different categories. If I have to choose, then yeah, I blame Kamala. It’s ultimately the politician’s job to reach people. Kamala failed spectacularly, with the help of the party establishment and corrupt consultants.
What I said is that it stretches my compassion to have sympathy for Trump voters. The Republican brand is all about othering and blaming the powerless. Every Trump voter with two braincells was more than happy to see some other group suffer, assuming they themselves would be spared. Sure, I still have some level of compassion, but not a shred of respect.
Okay, fine!
“A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy.”
I think you missed this part.
That’s what I was responding to. Carlos is explaining why more Latino voters voted for Trump than last election cycles. A majority of both Latino men and women voted for Harris though.
Trump was talking about the economy while Harris was busy pivoting to the right and embracing dick Cheney and her CEO’s
Harris lost more voters from this pivot than she gained from trying to cozy up to literal republicans.
Yes, I assume Trump was lying about how he will help people by fixing the economy, but at least he was lying about the issues that these voters had at the top of their list of priorities. Harris wouldn’t even lie to address any issues her base cares about.
So… it’s better to lie?
In my opinion? No, but I don’t think people pay as much attention to news and politics as I do.
Most people are just trying to live their lives. Like 2/3 Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. They don’t have time to read news either that or they’ve been lied to for so long they don’t give a 💩.
I’m just saying, at least Trump was talking about the number one issue these voters cared about, while Kamala was saying she couldn’t think of a single thing she would have done differently than Biden. She pivoted to the right and they kept walz in the basement playing video games. She embraced corporate ceos and dick Cheney. She wouldn’t even lie to us about ending the genocide.
I was willing to vote for Harris if she even lied about ending support for Israel and the genocide, but she wouldn’t even do that.
Thankfully I live in a blue state and I was able to avoid having to vote for her. I would have if there were any chance she would have lost my state.
I’ll ask again?
In this situation, you’re suggesting that it’s better to lie?
Trump lied. Period. End of story. And these people will pay the price for believing him when there was plenty of evidence readily accessible for them to know better.
And then you say you’d have voted if Kamala had lied? WTF? Do you understand that you just illustrated how she was fucked either way?
We were in the eleventh hour of the survival of our democracy. A democracy that was about to fall into the hands of someone that admitted they would be a dictator.
We are now in the hands of that dictator all because in your opinion- Kamala should have been like trump:
A liar.
What I’m saying is that I think so many US citizens who are elligible to vote are disillusioned with the politicians always following the donor class and letting us all down that people in general will vote for a leader who speaks well and makes vague promises, as we learned with Obama.
Now though we are closer to that one movie where the man and woman are in a time capsule and they water the crops with Gatorade lol.
Now you just have to make vague promises you don’t have to even be able to speak well. Look at gw jr
Nah. Your flawed presumption here is that we live in a world where everyone tells the truth.
Trump was talking about issues that voters care about.
Harris was bragging about how she’s supported by dozens of CEO’s, and how the Cheney family and mitt Romney endorse her. Trump pivoted, Harris committed to the donors.
Neither budged on Israel.
Kamala pivoted towards donor class in the final weeks, Trump pivoted talking about canned beans and how everything is more expensive.
Most people live paycheck to paycheck, they don’t understand what Biden administration was doing to help the economy, they just know it sucks, and dems keep asking for everyone to vote for the lesser of two evils.
How many people lost access to the child tax credit during his administration. Where is the footage of him calling out members of congress who allowed this to happen?
Part of the disconnect is that most Americans have been removed from the stock market.
The economy is a whole lot of bullshit when you live in a bush on fifth avenue and Trump is walking into the middle of the street with a gun. (I’m suggesting that I am the bum Trump could kill on fifth avenue according to his quote or whatever)
I think people are sick and tired of living paycheck to paycheck, I also remember that a lot of kids weren’t paying attention in school.
“We want our polticans to be honest!”
Democrats: “fine… but you wont like the truth”
I do think democrats and the left in general do hold their reps to a higher standard. It’s a good thing…… but lol
Edit: this is funny because Harris was actually being 1000% more honest by embracing dick Cheney and the corporate ceos and Israel.
Edit: 100,000
Let’s blame it on white people!!!
Lol
I say blame it on the DNC and Harris herself.
But sure why not. More accurate than blaming latino and or black or Muslim citizens
Biden also gets loads of blame for being an egotistical piece of shit and not dropping out in time for a primary.
Is that Biden’s fault or the DNC? Is he de facto leader of the DNC as president.
Even a fake primary would have been better than what they did.
I was hoping to see the Hippy and Cornell West debate Biden. Would have been great.
Edit: Maryanne Williamson or something her name the hippy I mean
I sincerely wish the absolute worst on any marginalized group that voted for Trump. You have nothing but my deepest sincere disgust and deserve whatever happens to you.
Congratulations on discarding your humanity and becoming a fascist. “Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds”.
God, you people really can’t live without a boogeyman or a scapegoat. Y’all disgust me.
I sincerely wish the absolute worst on any marginalized group that voted for Trump.
Are white people exempt from that or why did you choose that wording?
I chose that wording because Trump is a massive racist and yet all these minority groups he’s openly shit on still voted for him and they can get fucked.
Because yeah Mr. “Build the wall” is totally gonna have your back.
Oh and everybody fucking clapped. Get over yourself because while you do whatever the fuck this is, real ones are out there building solidarity and dual power. Snap out of your neoliberal yesteryear and into the reality that what matters now is a.) channels/orgs for mutual aid b) Solidarity Economies (aka folks having a foothold in their local economies and c) Encouraging anti-authoritarian parenting methods.
We are in this mess because we want that EZ fix. Just vote against (obtuse, christo-)fascism so you can go back to bed for 4-8 years (while magrinalized folks get to suffer) – Instead of looking at the big picture.
You know who looked at the big picture and built (astroturfed anyway) grassroots? All these right wing ghouls.
Im not gonna rewrite this for every clown at the top of every thread playing the blame game.
Get involved. Engage prefigurative politics. Identify the root causes and move on to the solutions.
Or keep yelling at scarecrows you imagine. Just dont be surprised if that turns you into someone people dont want to be around.
Can you just rewrite it for us here now because it doesn’t make any fucking sense? I dont agree with the guy you’re replying to, but I can’t understand wtf you’re trying to say. It reads like it was written by a stroke victim.
Solidarity? Really? Where was the solidarity when the choice was an obvious fascist or literally anything else? Zero fuckin sympathy for the people that voted for the man who openly said he was gonna make their lives harder. The man who openly said he’s gonna deport as many people as he can. The man who’s openly been a steaming pile of shit since his first fuckin presidential run.
They voted to fuck themselves over and I’m supposed to help them? Lay in the bed of shit you made and fuck right the fuck off.
Where was the solidarity when the choice was an obvious fascist or literally anything else?
Im not being condescending here:
In every city.
It even happens to exist outside of cities!
You can find mutual aid groups wherever you are. If you’re asking, you need to engage beyond the bare-minimum of electoralism.
Here’s a short vid from like past 48? hours about finding yours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZjj0NGIaY
Now go re-read and find me where I’m telling you to go cozy up to a maga-hat of any life-experience at all, and strike up solidarity with them.
No. Quit with the doom obsession. It is a distraction so as to avoid doing something more meaningful about the root causes.
To quote a friend: (speaking on such quislings)
many people will unfortunately need to learn this the hard way it seems at the expense of those who take the time to see the writing on the wall those ignorant to their exploitation will seldom listen to those who try to tell them how horribly theyre being fucked “if it were really so bad id notice” theyll say “this isnt so bad” theyll say, standing on the peak of the mountain that is dunning-kruger unknowing all we can do is wait, and watch to find out what what it is that throws them into the valley of unfathomable uncertainty in the meantime we must work for each other, for those who do see how good things could be. maybe then, our greener grass will coax them into giving us a fair listen
So, I repeat: Quit with this dopamine loop. You feel so strongly? Then go be about it.
Since you are so much against voting I have good news for you: You wont have to ever vote again now! There wont be free elections in america again after all
Ooh ooh i have something for this!
Right so, certainly a topic worth caring about. “So much against voting” is a simplifcation. Kinda gross one, one could even say
https://crimethinc.com/2016/04/29/feature-from-democracy-to-freedom
But you dont have all that time for giving a fuck about the way representive modern neoliberal democracies fall short, so let’s leave it at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7KUhBxpD14
If you spend the next 2 or 4 years building the expectation that their wont be an election, you are doing their work for them
So, whats yr deal? Are you here manufacturing consent on bebalf of fascists, or are you going to build Muatalism style in your physical proximity. Riding the fence doesnt make sense. ✨️
This is the response I didn’t have the mental energy to write. Thank you.
Heh, ty dor saying so. I got sick of seeing it.
I sincerely hope you’re never in a position of authority.
Sorry I have no sympathy for those that vote against their self interests.
I’m not gonna feel sorry for the guy that willingly cut off his nose to spite his face.
Sorry I have no sympathy for those that vote against their self interests.
So you don’t have sympathy for >99% of the American voters.
No, just the 1% who threw their vote away.
At this point I don’t have sympathy for 99% of humanity let alone Americans. History has shown me we’ll make the wrong choice almost every single time and at this point I just want humanity to die out and quit poisoning the world.
Profile pic checks out.
Tried twice. Decided I’d stick around to see what kinda shitshow would form. Not surprised in the slightest that we’ve once again taken 10 steps backward.
Narrator: “It won’t be.”
As someone posted in another thread, the mass deportations of Mexicans in the late 1920s/early 1930s ended up deporting American born Mexicans as well. So yeah, America deported actual American citizens because they didn’t care or couldn’t be bothered to check papers or whatever. Who’s to say that isn’t going to happen this time around?
Also, Trump said Latinos have a “murder gene,” so he already thinks they’re all criminals of some sort.
Everyone without white skin needs to get a passport and maintain a line of getting it. I.e. if you get fast deported you can have a family member mail it to you in Mexico.
As a white man, I fucking HATE this but you’re right. God dammit. I voted Harris, but I still really want to fight for those that can’t.
This happened in operation wetback under the Eisenhower admin. So it happened after wwii as well.
Unlawful deportations happen all the time everywhere. It will happen and probably happened quite often in the last years
Trump is going on a mission to skim all alleys for those that are eating pets.
When I was 6, I bit my rabbit in retaliation after he bit me, does that count?
Did you spit or swallow?
Its only for the federal definition of criminal. That definition is extremely broad on a good day. Bad days are just gonna get broader
How can anyone listen to Trump’s racist rants about shit hole countries and walk away thinking “he doesn’t mean me”? He absolutely means you. There’s about to be a whole lot of faces meeting some very hungry leopards.
There’s about to be a whole lot of faces meeting some very hungry leopards.
This is sadly, very true, and i just wish there weren’t so many innocents about to face consequences they don’t deserve.
