• Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    They lost because they promised “four more years of this”, and “this” was “you getting poorer every day.” It’s really that simple.

    So voting for a guy who wants to deport a good chunk of our labor supply, enacting tariffs that will cause prices to skyrocket, gutting social safety net programs, and endorsing someone who actively wants to “impose more hardship” on people is the better idea?

    I understand not wanting to have to settle for the “lesser evil” or “least bad” option, so to speak. But there’s a point where you have to suck it up and do that. Allowing the greater evil to rise to power just to “send a message” or whatever is not only shooting yourself in the foot, it’s reloading the shotgun when you realize you missed some toes. You need to know when to pick your battles, and the 2024 election was not the time. All people with this mindset did is just make things worse for everybody.

    People ridicule the GOP for constantly voting against their best interests. But if this is the mindset you have, you’re guilty of the exact same thing.

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      15 days ago

      I understand not wanting to have to settle for the “lesser evil” or “least bad” option, so to speak. But there’s a point where you have to suck it up and do that.

      This was not a compelling message, and people stayed home.

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        15 days ago

        However you want to word it, the end result was the same, and was just as stupid. People didn’t like the message Dems were sending, so they opted to allow someone exponentially worse to rise to power, and are now complaining about things getting exponentially worse.

        If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. They made that choice knowing full well the consequences of it, made it anyway, and are now complaining about the consequences.

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          15 days ago

          You’re right. You’re entitled to the unquestioning loyalty of everyone to your left that you hate, no matter what you do. Keep moving to the right. It’s all you will ever do because genocide wasn’t far enough to the right for you.

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      15 days ago

      It never mattered what Trump was promising. Not in specific sense. It only mattered that he promised things would get better. The how was irrelevant.

      When you’re drowning, and someone says “I’ll help you!” you don’t ask them to lay out their exact plan. You just throw out your hand and hope they’ll take it.

      These people made a very simple calculation; “I know I’ll continue to drown with the Dems. I know this because that’s exactly what they’ve promised; four more years of slowly drowning. With Trump, there’s a chance that maybe he’ll make things better. A chance is better than no chance.”

      Based on that calculation, they did exactly what you’re asking them to do. They voted for the least bad option.

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        15 days ago

        This would be a valid argument for Trump 2016, when people had little to no clue what we were all in for.

        But in 2024, Trump wasn’t saying “I’ll help you”. Trump was actively campaigning on grabbing you by the legs and pulling you deeper underwater.

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          This would be a valid argument for Trump 2016, when people had little to no clue what we were all in for.

          People believe, first and foremost, the evidence of their own lived experiences. This isn’t rational but it is how we’re programmed to operate. And the lived experience of most voters is that, financially, they’re doing worse under Biden than they were under Trump. They don’t care that most of that was because of factors that weren’t really directly connected to White House policy decisions (in the same way that the President doesn’t control the price of gas); they just see that they are suffering, and feel that the people in charge must be responsible. It doesn’t matter how terrible you tell them Trump’s policies were compared to Bidens (and in case I somehow have to spell out my position here, yes, of course Trump’s policies were terrible compared to Biden’s) because they know how much money is in their bank account and that’s really all that matters. Telling these people how much better off the country is doesn’t mean shit if they’re struggling to pay rent and buy groceries.

          But in 2024, Trump wasn’t saying “I’ll help you”. Trump was actively campaigning on grabbing you by the legs and pulling you deeper underwater.

          Let’s not be asinine. Of course Trump was saying “I’ll help you.” Yes, you and I have the context to examine his proposed solutions and immediately conclude that they will make things worse, but that’s not a context that everyone shares. Like I already said, these people are drowning. Most people don’t have enough understanding of policy to really judge the details of Trump’s plans, and they don’t have the time or attention to gain that understanding of policy. They’re not interested in arguing over the details of how someone plans to save them, they just want to be saved. And they don’t even have to be 100% convinced that Trump will be the better choice. Not even 50%, or 30%. What they are 100% convinced of, because it is the unquestionable evidence sitting right in front of them, is that they’re poorer now than they were at the start of Biden’s term, and that Harris, when asked what she would have done different, said “Not a thing.” If there’s even a 10% chance, in their eyes, that Trump’s bullshit turns out to work, he’s the better option, because it’s obvious to them that there’s a 0% chance that things will get better with the Dems. You can tell them all you like that Trump’s policies are awful, but when the thing you propose instead is voting for the people who - as they see it - made things so much worse for them over the last four years, they’re going to look at you like you’re crazy.