“Your” party didn’t even show up, why would anyone listen to them?

Progressives don’t have a party that even considers representing them.

First we need to do [thing that will take decades and which centrists will oppose every step of the way], and once that’s complete, we’ll come up with a new prerequisite,

Hi, Senator.

Your party just lost by listening to centrists.

Found a policy of his that you actually like?

The same way the Tea Party primaried out moderate Republicans.

Democrats protect centrist incumbents and ONLY centrist incumbents. When they have primaries at all.

Show up and vote.

For who you’re ordered to and didn’t have a say in.

No, I’m claiming that when Democrats have a majority, Republicans vote in lockstep and Democrats always manage to have enough turncoats.

You’re saying that you love it in all cases because they block things that might help people other than Netanyahu. I’m being more honest about your position than you just decided to be about mine. I’m leaving this conversation because you’re trying to muddy the waters and there are better dishonest centrists out there to waste my time arguing with.

Thats more like reddit.

Yes. Centrists make lemmy more like reddit.

Pointing out that republicans try to block democrat legislation is reality not an excuse

Provided that you ignore that Republicans always seem to be able to vote in lockstep and always have just enough help from elected Democrats.

They just need to find the right combination of vulnerable minorities to abandon, and then maybe they’ll finally get the coveted GWB and Romney endorsements! Then Republicans will HAVE to vote for them!

Seeing lemmy for the past year, it’s a fucking toss up.

We need to get the neo liberals out of leadership positions at the DNC

And how do you suggest we do that?

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The Democratic party could not even prosecute a guy who tried to murder Congress.

They could. They chose not to.

“I for one welcome our new insect overlords”

When they can count on people like yourself to make excuses for it, why would they stop?

Perhaps in your state,

Yeah. No real referendums in my state. So naturally we’ll need it in all 50 before we consider changing the sweetheart deal centrist Democrats and their Republican buddies have.

Democrats are holding back ideas whose time has come. Are we going to be gun shy forever because Mondale and Dukakis lost? Are we going to be permanently doomed to drift rightward and simp for Republicans forever because it worked for a charismatic sex pest once in 1992?

where are you going to find the migrant workers to do all the unpleasant, if not downright dangerous jobs?

Replaced by forced labor.

Ditching FPTP at least gives the average voter the opportunity to vote for different people

And it only requires having people who are willing to pass it in office. Which isn’t ever going to happen. Which means it’s a great prerequisite that needs to be met before something you don’t want to happen.