A 64-year-old woman from Chicago's western suburbs is facing hate crime charges and accused of assaulting a Palestinian-American couple in a video that went viral.
hmm. I wonder how many Trump voters you know vs how many Harris voters you know. Unless you’re an statistician, your comment is low quality and deserves downvotes.
This is the exact reason why she could not have come out as critical of Israel in any way. Something people here didn’t seem to understand. She would have lost far more votes than she would have gained from the anti-genocide voters that were far overrepresented on this site.
Get off the internet. You are extremely overestimating the support for Palestine among the average American voter. This place is not at all representative of the American public.
AIPAC would have ratfucked her and tanked her campaign had she come out strong against Israel.
Look at the shit Ilhan Omar had to put up with for daring to simply bringing up Israel’s financial interests in the US…
She even signaled a day or so before election day, to anyone paying attention, that she would be harder on Israel. At the last minute so as to not give AIPAC enough time to blow up her campaign.
Remember last time Trump was in power our feeds were full of Republicans behaving poorly in public? (in between the police beating protesters through most of 2020) - looks like we’re going to get that back again now.
their perception of how welcome their violence is intensified, too. the movement that killed Heather Heyer considers themselves ascendent. last time they had the electoral college and not the popular vote. this time, thanks to 10mil likely democrat voters who cculd swallow their pride for joe biden in 2020 but not for kamala harris in 2024, the very worst people on earth consider their view point to be the norm
Not that the popular vote matters in who wins, but it’s nice to know he didn’t get a true majority of all votes cast. 1.8% of votes were 3rd party, more than the difference between trump and Harris. If the amount of those votes that were “to teach the Dems a lesson” were added to the ones where POTUS was left blank to “teach the Dems a lesson”, well … anyway.
Thats more like reddit. Go take a look, its full of pro israel stuff. Some are even sympathetic to Netanyahu and compelete disregarded the civillians deaths in the pager attack in Lebanon and claimed it was some sort of genius strategy that had “minimal civillian deaths”.
Most people are not very much political or interested in politics in general.
Most people do however support actual leftist and progressive policies.
If any president just looked at polling and supported the implementation of policies that more than 60 percent of Americans support, or even only the issues with 70% approval (from both dems and republicans). That policians agenda would be a progressive, leftist agenda.
I actually agree with you. However, the right wing won, full stop unfortunately.
Arguing “no true leftist” or “Your side” is pointless. The Right won and no amount of semantics or told you so is going to change the results.
So when they start mass deporting or rounding up trans people we can just say “the dems didn’t run progressive enough policie for me” and wash our hands of it I guess.
Trump won every swing state. He lost my state and all of my states electoral college delegates are going to Harris. I could have voted for Mickey Mouse and this fact would not be different.
Other voters in swing states had real issues with the economy, crime, and less so the genocide in Israel.
Kamala unfortunately pivoted to the right and embraced republicans and corporate CEO’s. Why vote for republican light (Kamala) when you can just vote republican (Trump)? I assume this is what people were thinking.
I’m not sure those people exist. Lemmy seems to think they do but the electorate doesn’t reflect that at all and unless they’re ready to arm themselves and fight (and they’re not, as much as they like to talk about it online) they may as well not exist.
And yet there are more than enough that you expect the Democratic party to bend the knee to you?
I consider myself a progressive. The genocide in Palestine is a big problem for me, and I resent being lumped in with liberals simply because I understand politics and math enough to vote for Harris instead of aiding in Palestine’s destruction.
But I also understand that progressives are a small minority of voters in the US, and am not deluded enough to believe that Democrats will pander to me when it makes no tangible difference come election time.
It doesn’t matter how many people agree with progressive policies when you ask them, when they don’t fucking vote and aren’t doing anything whatsoever to organize and win elections down-ballot.
Where is the Green Party? They’ve already vanished, and we won’t see or hear anything from them for 4 years.
Why is it that progressives can’t seem to organize a real political party if there are so many of us?
Just wait until you see what Trump does for Palestine, boy are you in for a rude awakening. Congrats on sticking it to the democrats, I guess. Enjoy the next four years.
Wait a second. You would assume the person votes for Biden/Harris because they support Israel while trying to keep Israel under control. You don’t assume the person voted for the person who said he wants Israel to “finish the job” and enacted a Muslim travel ban?
Are you really that stupid? Or are you just trying to make a political point?
Damn why the downvotes? Its almost as if there was a concentrated Israeli effort to downvote facts about Israel? Can anyone tell me why I am ratioed so?
Gee, I wonder who she voted for…
Well, to be fair, not all Democratic voters are exactly sympathetic to Palestine… Some are kinda pro-Israel
But yea like 99% of the time its a Magat.
Yes but even unsympathetic Dems aren’t very likely to attack someone for their choice of sweatshirt
Nah, most of the Zionists I know voted for Harris
Edit: how is my personal experience being downvoted. Do you guys know what the Downvote button is for??
hmm. I wonder how many Trump voters you know vs how many Harris voters you know. Unless you’re an statistician, your comment is low quality and deserves downvotes.
This is the exact reason why she could not have come out as critical of Israel in any way. Something people here didn’t seem to understand. She would have lost far more votes than she would have gained from the anti-genocide voters that were far overrepresented on this site.
Wut? She should have called it a genocide. The majority of US Americans on both sides (left and right) want to stop sending them arms.
She chose the unpopular option that war and environment profiteers prefer, and she suffered the consequences.
Get off the internet. You are extremely overestimating the support for Palestine among the average American voter. This place is not at all representative of the American public.
AIPAC would have ratfucked her and tanked her campaign had she come out strong against Israel.
Look at the shit Ilhan Omar had to put up with for daring to simply bringing up Israel’s financial interests in the US…
She even signaled a day or so before election day, to anyone paying attention, that she would be harder on Israel. At the last minute so as to not give AIPAC enough time to blow up her campaign.
There’s just no way to know.
Remember last time Trump was in power our feeds were full of Republicans behaving poorly in public? (in between the police beating protesters through most of 2020) - looks like we’re going to get that back again now.
It’ll be worse. Wait til he deputized his own brown shirts.
their perception of how welcome their violence is intensified, too. the movement that killed Heather Heyer considers themselves ascendent. last time they had the electoral college and not the popular vote. this time, thanks to 10mil likely democrat voters who cculd swallow their pride for joe biden in 2020 but not for kamala harris in 2024, the very worst people on earth consider their view point to be the norm
Not 10 million. As of today (all votes still not counted) trump leads the popular vote by 2,557,324. That’s 49.9% to 48.3%. Current vote count: https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqnemxwvx/president/
Not that the popular vote matters in who wins, but it’s nice to know he didn’t get a true majority of all votes cast. 1.8% of votes were 3rd party, more than the difference between trump and Harris. If the amount of those votes that were “to teach the Dems a lesson” were added to the ones where POTUS was left blank to “teach the Dems a lesson”, well … anyway.
i’m not referringeto the vote delta between trump and harris, i’metalking about the vote delta between biden in 2020 and harris in 2024
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and who’ll rush to pay for her defense tooooooo what a patridiot lol
Seeing lemmy for the past year, it’s a fucking toss up.
Thats more like reddit. Go take a look, its full of pro israel stuff. Some are even sympathetic to Netanyahu and compelete disregarded the civillians deaths in the pager attack in Lebanon and claimed it was some sort of genius strategy that had “minimal civillian deaths”.
Yes. Centrists make lemmy more like reddit.
And leftists vastly overestimate their popularity and numbers.
Most people are not very much political or interested in politics in general.
Most people do however support actual leftist and progressive policies.
If any president just looked at polling and supported the implementation of policies that more than 60 percent of Americans support, or even only the issues with 70% approval (from both dems and republicans). That policians agenda would be a progressive, leftist agenda.
I actually agree with you. However, the right wing won, full stop unfortunately.
Arguing “no true leftist” or “Your side” is pointless. The Right won and no amount of semantics or told you so is going to change the results.
So when they start mass deporting or rounding up trans people we can just say “the dems didn’t run progressive enough policie for me” and wash our hands of it I guess.
Trump won every swing state. He lost my state and all of my states electoral college delegates are going to Harris. I could have voted for Mickey Mouse and this fact would not be different.
Other voters in swing states had real issues with the economy, crime, and less so the genocide in Israel.
Kamala unfortunately pivoted to the right and embraced republicans and corporate CEO’s. Why vote for republican light (Kamala) when you can just vote republican (Trump)? I assume this is what people were thinking.
In other words, they were lied to and bought it hook, line, and sinker.
I’m not sure those people exist. Lemmy seems to think they do but the electorate doesn’t reflect that at all and unless they’re ready to arm themselves and fight (and they’re not, as much as they like to talk about it online) they may as well not exist.
Your party just lost by listening to centrists.
“Your” party didn’t even show up, why would anyone listen to them?
Edit: hey at least a couple of you learned how to vote! Maybe try doing that irl and not just on the internet!
Progressives don’t have a party that even considers representing them.
And yet there are more than enough that you expect the Democratic party to bend the knee to you?
I consider myself a progressive. The genocide in Palestine is a big problem for me, and I resent being lumped in with liberals simply because I understand politics and math enough to vote for Harris instead of aiding in Palestine’s destruction.
But I also understand that progressives are a small minority of voters in the US, and am not deluded enough to believe that Democrats will pander to me when it makes no tangible difference come election time.
It doesn’t matter how many people agree with progressive policies when you ask them, when they don’t fucking vote and aren’t doing anything whatsoever to organize and win elections down-ballot.
Where is the Green Party? They’ve already vanished, and we won’t see or hear anything from them for 4 years.
Why is it that progressives can’t seem to organize a real political party if there are so many of us?
Touch grass
Progressives turned out to vote for the obviously less dangerous to America candidate.
Terminally online internet leftists sat at home in their basements and want feel like they’re revolutionaries.
Start a revolution champ, we’re all waiting.
If I had to guess it would be the party that gave more aid to Israel than ever, the Biden/Harris party Source
Just wait until you see what Trump does for Palestine, boy are you in for a rude awakening. Congrats on sticking it to the democrats, I guess. Enjoy the next four years.
Wait a second. You would assume the person votes for Biden/Harris because they support Israel while trying to keep Israel under control. You don’t assume the person voted for the person who said he wants Israel to “finish the job” and enacted a Muslim travel ban?
Are you really that stupid? Or are you just trying to make a political point?
Damn why the downvotes? Its almost as if there was a concentrated Israeli effort to downvote facts about Israel? Can anyone tell me why I am ratioed so?
Probably because the point seems moot given that Trump and the Republicans intend to help Israel even more.
I’ve tagged you as “thinks gop supports Palestine.” Hope you prove me wrong.
Lol who gives a shit about israel
Fuck Israel, Fuck Hamas
Next 4 years will have so many faces eaten by leopards.