Vladimir Putin has said that a western move to let Kyiv use longer-range weapons against targets inside Russia would mean Nato would be “at war” with Moscow.

Putin spoke as US and UK top diplomats discussed easing rules on firing western weapons into Russia, which Kyiv has been pressing for, more than two and a half years into Moscow’s offensive.

“This would in a significant way change the very nature of the conflict,” Putin told a state television reporter.

“It would mean that Nato countries, the US, European countries, are at war with Russia,” he added. “If that’s the case, then taking into account the change of nature of the conflict, we will take the appropriate decisions based on the threats that we will face.”

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  • Rakonat@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Well Putin, if you don’t want a war with NATO, you could always do the responsible thing and get the fuck out of Ukraine and stop launching illegal invasions of your neighbors.

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        Chapter VII of the UN Charter, I.E. internationally agreed upon law by UN signatories, which Russia as a sitting member of the security council should be obliged to obey, states use of force against another country, especially other members of the UN is prohibited except in cases of self-defense or by authorization of UN Council.

        So no, every invasion is not inherently illegal. That’s only explicitly true when you talk about Russia, because like every authoritarian power they only care about rules when they benefit them.

  • Cpo@lemm.ee
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    “Vladimir Putin says…”

    Aaand my brain switches off. Another red line.

  • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
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    Another bluff. Also, we can just call it “special military operations”.

    Also, NATO includes Canada. Not just the US and European countries, like the article says.

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    Wait a seconds. Haven’t they said that they are at war with NATO at least since the started the full invasion?

    • Ab_intra@lemmy.world
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      At this point there is no point in beliving in Putin when he talks about red lines. Apparently he would Nuke the shit out of Ukraine if they entered Russian territory but this has not happened after Kursk…

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      Russia have repeatedly admitted it has no chance of beating Nato. Hence the nuclear escalation is the only matter to discuss. A beated nation will press all the buttons.

    • EatATaco@lemm.ee
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      They’ve been calling it for basically the last whole war.

      In fact, it’s been done pretty masterfully by not making one huge step, but small steps where no single one would force him to do something, but just over time each small step eventually gets to the point where he said he would have to do something…and hasn’t.

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    Doesnt this imply that, for Putin, Crimea and Donbas are not part of Russia? Those have been repeatedly hit by long range western missiles.

    Maybe someone should inform the Russians living in those areas that their leader thinks less of them than other Russians.

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      His soldiers don’t much care for Kursk either. Since they are looting it for all its worth.

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      Awkwardly ignoring the nationals in the Somoa, Guam and Virgin Islands. You can even make a case for Wales and Ireland. This is unfortunately common the more I think about it.

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    Not to mention, Russia has been waging asymetric warfare tactics against NATO powers for years. If anything, it’s that they haven’t woken up to the nature of the conflict.

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        This is exactly the point. They are already at full throttle war with the West. The only further escalation they could make would be nukes, which would be their end, NATO can take out all of Russias nuclear capacity and win the war in Ukraine all with conventional weapons.

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    Ok well I guess we’re all going to be affected. I propose that blender thing for putin when they get him out of the smokey hole.

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    Negotiate the full deal to return Ukrainian, and exit peaceably. Run your stories in Russia “Ukraine successfully denazified, free and fair elections to be held” - “Ukrainian forces defeated at Russian border”…

    …then go back to arresting democracy protestors, gay rights advocates, and your own alt-right talking heads… And try to keep your head on Vlad. Try to pick a successors, and a nice European country to retire to.

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      He will never be able to retire, lmao. He’s going to die in one of his bunkers to afraid of being Gaddafied.

      • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
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        Then he’ll remain a danger to the world and probably do a lot of horrible things protecting himself, which will not be a good outcome for the west.